So I want to get a final consensus...

[Fantastische Hure]

Did Vegetto surpass Bills in the manga? I'd like that, I think.

Or at-least does it seem like that, unless any further writing might change that?

 

[Papasmurf]

No true confirmation yet, so im not gonna pretend there is. Credible until proven false tho.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

No true confirmation yet, so im not gonna pretend there is. Credible until proven false tho.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

That statement came out from Kaioshin who you know....

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Did Vegetto surpass Bills in the manga? I'd like that, I think.

Or at-least does it seem like that, unless any further writing might change that?

Nah, Akira Toriyama stated that Goku and Vegeta haven't surpassed Beerus, and since Vegetto is Goku + Vegeta that means even he has not surpassed the god of destruction.

 

[Papasmurf]

He approves Toyotaro's rough draft before he inks it and OK'd the Vegetto > Beerus statement, so it's valid until a more credible character than Kaioshin (which doesn't take much) denounces it.

Vegetto and "Goku and Vegeta" are different things as well. That's like saying Gohan and Goku together couldn't beat Gotenks-Boo, so Gokhan can't either

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

He approves Toyotaro's rough draft before he inks it and OK'd the Vegetto > Beerus statement, so it's valid until a more credible character than Kaioshin (which doesn't take much) denounces it.

Vegetto and "Goku and Vegeta" are different things as well. That's like saying Gohan and Goku together couldn't beat Gotenks-Boo, so Gokhan can't either

But, how much does Vegetto > Beerus? If I remember correctly Kaio Shin stated that he may be stronger? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

He's stronger that's all matters although anythings can change later.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't think there'd be any point in awkwardly shoehorning the statement in like they did if it wasn't true. The idea of their SSB Potara fusion still being below Beerus would be pretty ridiculous anyway, even if I fully abide by the "plot dictates power" line of thought.

 

[SIAD]

I'm thinking of having Vegetto SSJB (Kamehameha Final) >> Vegetto SSJB = Beerus.

Shin said Vegetto SSJB may have overtaken Beerus when he was beginning to create an amplifier attack. It makes sense to me that Vegetto SSJB is just as powerful as Beerus.

Now the question is, who is more powerful Whis or Vegetto SSJB (Kamehameha Final)?

 

[Keedounan]

I think Vegetto Blue > Beerus is true as well, but the gap is pretty small.

 

[SIAD]

Yes, I do. I think that the options Vegetto SSJB> = Beerus or Vegetto SSJB = Beerus, are valid.

Although there is a possibility that later we are told that Beerus is even more powerful than Shin thinks, but if that does not happen, I am left with both options mentioned above.