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I've recently been reading over the Future Trunks arc and started thinking a bit more about things I never really thought about.
A quick recap:
Initially, we see that Super Saiyan Black was having a hard time going up against Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta.
Once Vegeta went Blue, he decimated Black.
After Black was healed, his Super Saiyan state became powerful enough to gain the advantage over Blue Vegeta.
Super Saiyan Rose Black returned the decimation on Blue Vegeta, forcing them to flee.
Vegeta's hellish training allowed him to overwhelm Rose Black with his Super Saiyan God-Blue Burst strategy. Black can't really do anything against Vegeta here.
Merged Zamasu displays enough power to make quick of the Saiyans in their Blue and God states.
Goku is able to fight on equal terms with Merged Zamasu after sealing the power of Blue.
So here are my questions:
1) What do you believe the boost from Base to Super Saiyan was for Goku Black?
The first statement seems like it's just focused on Goku Black becoming more powerful than their last encounter. I guess it was only noticeable the moment he transformed.
His later statement is a bit different.
Trunks words it in a way that makes it seem like the Super Saiyan transformation itself made Goku Black more powerful than the last time. he used the state Now if it was only a matter of a stronger Base Black=stronger Super Saiyan, would Trunks have worded it that way? The dialogue always sounded strange to me. If Black became strong enough to the point where he no longer needed Super Saiyan, wouldn't Trunks naturally
2) What do you believe the boost from Super Saiyan to Rose was for Goku Black?
Like the homie Super Saiyan mentioned, Goku Black surpassing Super Saiyan God was only mentioned after he acquired Rose:
3) How much power do you believe Super Saiyan Blue normally has access to before the stamina starts depleting their power?
4) Do you believe Goku did some additional training off-screen that wasn't Mafuba related?
The beginning of the arc showed them training together.
Other than that, we see Vegeta sparring with Trunks and Goku meditating alone before it was time to go to the future.
Then there's this:
That's not even counting the Non-God forms that establish Super Saiyan 2 Trunks as Super Saiyan 3 Goku's equal....with Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta having a noticeable advantage over the guy (Base Black) that could dumpster Super Saiyan 2 Trunks with ease.
Aside from that weird instance, I always got the impression that Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta were depicted as equals.
This is when the difference between them begins to be established.
Vegeta mentioned that Goku overcame the weakness of Blue and I kinda doubt he did it all in that moment. It sounds like he was working on correcting the weakness for awhile. There's also the fact that Goku couldn't do anything to Merged Zamasu in Super Saiyan Blue, yet sealing his power and fighting at 100% allowed him to knock Zamasu around and match his power.
Perfected Blue is written as if it's a huge power-up more so than being able to fight at Full-Power for a longer period.
Vegeta trained like hell after returning to the present, while Goku spent time getting the Mafuba down on Roshi's island. You'd think Vegeta's training would've allowed him to close whatever difference there was between them. Instead, it makes him look like he was way weaker than Goku before and after the rosat training.
5) Was the Potara Fusion power-up really that miniscule? Rose Black was no match for God-Blue Vegeta. Blue Goku and Vegeta were no match for Merged Zamasu. Perfected Blue Goku was on par with Merged Zamasu.
The above says their power went way up when they merged into Zamasu.
Yet it seems like the Fusion is marginally stronger than Rose Black at best.
If Vegeta is above Rose Black, then the same would most likely apply to Goku. Especially since we know Goku's Full-Power is beyond Vegeta's.
So, is the equivalent of a Fusion between Rose Black and Zamasu somehow the equivalent of Goku going from Super Saiyan Blue-->Perfected Blue Goku?
As in, both would lose to Blue Goku separately. Fused, they can only equal Goku with access to 100% of his power?
The only way the above would make sense to me is if Super Saiyan Blue is so ass that they can't access anywhere close to its Full-Power. That would make the most sense to me, but Vegeta does in fact say they can use their Full-Power. It just doesn't last that long.
So does their power start rapidly going down as soon as they transform into Blue or something?
Whatever the case may be, that Fusion boost appears to be trashhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
It's actually funny thinking about how weak Super Saiyan Rose Black and Merged Zamasu look when all is said and done.
I know it's a lot, but a lot of things in this arc just make no sense to me. Maybe someone can help me see things in a different light.
A quick recap:
Initially, we see that Super Saiyan Black was having a hard time going up against Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta.
Once Vegeta went Blue, he decimated Black.
After Black was healed, his Super Saiyan state became powerful enough to gain the advantage over Blue Vegeta.
Super Saiyan Rose Black returned the decimation on Blue Vegeta, forcing them to flee.
Vegeta's hellish training allowed him to overwhelm Rose Black with his Super Saiyan God-Blue Burst strategy. Black can't really do anything against Vegeta here.
Merged Zamasu displays enough power to make quick of the Saiyans in their Blue and God states.
Goku is able to fight on equal terms with Merged Zamasu after sealing the power of Blue.
So here are my questions:
1) What do you believe the boost from Base to Super Saiyan was for Goku Black?
The first statement seems like it's just focused on Goku Black becoming more powerful than their last encounter. I guess it was only noticeable the moment he transformed.
His later statement is a bit different.
Trunks words it in a way that makes it seem like the Super Saiyan transformation itself made Goku Black more powerful than the last time. he used the state Now if it was only a matter of a stronger Base Black=stronger Super Saiyan, would Trunks have worded it that way? The dialogue always sounded strange to me. If Black became strong enough to the point where he no longer needed Super Saiyan, wouldn't Trunks naturally
2) What do you believe the boost from Super Saiyan to Rose was for Goku Black?
Like the homie Super Saiyan mentioned, Goku Black surpassing Super Saiyan God was only mentioned after he acquired Rose:
3) How much power do you believe Super Saiyan Blue normally has access to before the stamina starts depleting their power?
4) Do you believe Goku did some additional training off-screen that wasn't Mafuba related?
The beginning of the arc showed them training together.
Other than that, we see Vegeta sparring with Trunks and Goku meditating alone before it was time to go to the future.
Then there's this:
That's not even counting the Non-God forms that establish Super Saiyan 2 Trunks as Super Saiyan 3 Goku's equal....with Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta having a noticeable advantage over the guy (Base Black) that could dumpster Super Saiyan 2 Trunks with ease.
Aside from that weird instance, I always got the impression that Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta were depicted as equals.
This is when the difference between them begins to be established.
Vegeta mentioned that Goku overcame the weakness of Blue and I kinda doubt he did it all in that moment. It sounds like he was working on correcting the weakness for awhile. There's also the fact that Goku couldn't do anything to Merged Zamasu in Super Saiyan Blue, yet sealing his power and fighting at 100% allowed him to knock Zamasu around and match his power.
Perfected Blue is written as if it's a huge power-up more so than being able to fight at Full-Power for a longer period.
Vegeta trained like hell after returning to the present, while Goku spent time getting the Mafuba down on Roshi's island. You'd think Vegeta's training would've allowed him to close whatever difference there was between them. Instead, it makes him look like he was way weaker than Goku before and after the rosat training.
5) Was the Potara Fusion power-up really that miniscule? Rose Black was no match for God-Blue Vegeta. Blue Goku and Vegeta were no match for Merged Zamasu. Perfected Blue Goku was on par with Merged Zamasu.
The above says their power went way up when they merged into Zamasu.
Yet it seems like the Fusion is marginally stronger than Rose Black at best.
If Vegeta is above Rose Black, then the same would most likely apply to Goku. Especially since we know Goku's Full-Power is beyond Vegeta's.
So, is the equivalent of a Fusion between Rose Black and Zamasu somehow the equivalent of Goku going from Super Saiyan Blue-->Perfected Blue Goku?
As in, both would lose to Blue Goku separately. Fused, they can only equal Goku with access to 100% of his power?
The only way the above would make sense to me is if Super Saiyan Blue is so ass that they can't access anywhere close to its Full-Power. That would make the most sense to me, but Vegeta does in fact say they can use their Full-Power. It just doesn't last that long.
So does their power start rapidly going down as soon as they transform into Blue or something?
Whatever the case may be, that Fusion boost appears to be trashhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
It's actually funny thinking about how weak Super Saiyan Rose Black and Merged Zamasu look when all is said and done.
I know it's a lot, but a lot of things in this arc just make no sense to me. Maybe someone can help me see things in a different light.
