SS4 Gogeeta was the first character to surpass Vegett in GT

[Scott]

lol no they only say it might be a 50x multiplier

One theory is that it becomes as much as 50 times what it is normally!!

but we can see in the show itself that it's nowhere near that big of a boost. try again lil bro

 

[GSM123]

lol no they only say it might be a 50x multiplier



but we can see in the show itself that it's nowhere near that big of a boost. try again lil bro

So you’re picking and choosing your guidebooks, got it.

You haven’t shown me where exactly the show implies that, by the way.

 

[Scott]

So you’re picking and choosing your guidebooks

not when the perfect files only calls it a "theory" meaning they acknowledge the possibility of it being wrong lol

whereas they weren't guessing that vegett was on par with ss4

You haven’t shown me where exactly the show implies that, by the way.

rilld lol

 

[Father]

Oh look, another thread where fam is wrong

 

[GSM123]

I really want to get to the bottom of this one. Did Goku ever went full power fighting Rildo? None of the Saiyans ever took him very seriously.

The whole argument is focused on Rildo’s arbitrary choice of words. 2% is still less than half, and the writers simply didn’t care about being more specific. We know for a fact that SSJ is 50x, subjective interpretation doesn’t change that. This isn’t like Future 17 where the statement is all we have.

 

[SSJ2]

Less than half is a pretty direct statement. When has less than half ever meant 2%? Of course the amount below half is pretty arbitrary but it better be closer to 50% than not.

 

[GSM123]

Less than half is a pretty direct statement. When has less than half ever meant 2%? Of course the amount below half is pretty arbitrary but it better be closer to 50% than not.

Why? Any number below 50% is going to be less than half. The point of the statement is just to show Rild knew Goku was far from FP.

Does it sound inadequate? Yeah, but what isn’t in GT?

 

[SSJ2]

Being this overly literal is an obtuse take.

 

[GSM123]

Being this overly literal is an obtuse take.

I’m just sticking to the source material instead of twisting it for the sake of headcanon. SSJ has never been presented as having a variable boost. There has to be a deeper reason to nerf it than “Rildo didn’t call it tens of times so it’s not tens of times”.

 

[Scott]

Even Toriyama says it being 50x was an exaggeration.

It has a plot boost and nothing more.

 

[Dagon]

If you think just a bit about it, SSJ Vegetto = SSJ4 Goku doesn’t make any sense.

Golden Oozaru is obviously 10x SSJ3, and Goku was on SBV2’s level after that. In turn, SBV2 going Golden Oozaru put him on par with SSJ4 Goku. That means SSJ4 is 100x SSJ3, more or less.

That also means Base Vegetto is stronger than GT SSJ3 Goku. Base Vegetto is at best = Majin Boo. Base Goku is stronger than Majin Boo, but SSJ3 Goku is weaker?

This also applies to @SSJ2’s scan. Base Goku > Boohan means SSJ3 Goku alone blows Super Fraudetto out of the water. Baby is just saying he’s the strongest now. This isn’t a reference to a character who’s not even mentioned in all on GT.

You're on the right track but remember that GT follows the original anime as its canon, which should include all the hax powerups. Base Vegetto is stronger than Buuhan in the anime.

With Kid Buu as the strongest Buu, Goku should likely match that power in base along with Uub by the beginning of GT.

Here's the problem: Even if(as a lowball) Goku doesn't power up in base between the start of GT and when he gets SSJ4, with SSJ4 being 100x SSJ3, if SSJ Vegetto rivals that, then by dividing by 50 that puts base Vegetto at or over 800x Kid Buu, and thus even higher than that over Buuhan. If you need Vegetto to his SSJ3 is a rival to baby saga SsJ4 Goku, that only cuts it down to 100x

I think it stretches believability that Vegetto would be that much stronger than Buuhan and even bother to use SSJ at all. I think it fits better to be about relative powers rather than absolute powers.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Damn, one of these days I might have to tackle GT. I definitely would do GT before Super anime I think. GT is a relatively short, easy one to do in comparison I'd bet.

Golden Oozaru should be 500x, no?

Oozaru is 10x, and then Golden Oozaru should be an Oozaru going Super Saiyan which is 50x.

That's what makes sense to me. Sadly for me I have SSJ3 as a 1,000x boost lol.

The toughest thing about power scaling TOEI is you literally have to throw away some feats. You have to pick the overall consensus of feats and chuck the others away.

Like do we really think Base Gohan in M10 is on par with SSJ Broly?

 

[GSM123]

Damn, one of these days I might have to tackle GT. I definitely would do GT before Super anime I think. GT is a relatively short, easy one to do in comparison I'd bet.

Golden Oozaru should be 500x, no?

Oozaru is 10x, and then Golden Oozaru should be an Oozaru going Super Saiyan which is 50x.

That's what makes sense to me. Sadly for me I have SSJ3 as a 1,000x boost lol.

The toughest thing about power scaling TOEI is you literally have to throw away some feats. You have to pick the overall consensus of feats and chuck the others away.

Like do we really think Base Gohan in M10 is on par with SSJ Broly?

It’s because Golden Oozaru Goku has SBV2 on the ropes, while Base BV was already smacking SSJ3 Goku. Even if we use SEG and have SSJ3 = 400x base, Baby Vegeta is probably 1.25x SSJ3 (500x base).

 

[Scott]

It’s because Golden Oozaru Goku has SBV2 on the ropes, while Base BV was already smacking SSJ3 Goku.

That was Super Saiyan Baby Vegeeta

 

[Dagon]

Damn, one of these days I might have to tackle GT. I definitely would do GT before Super anime I think. GT is a relatively short, easy one to do in comparison I'd bet.

Golden Oozaru should be 500x, no?

Oozaru is 10x, and then Golden Oozaru should be an Oozaru going Super Saiyan which is 50x.

That's what makes sense to me. Sadly for me I have SSJ3 as a 1,000x boost lol.

The toughest thing about power scaling TOEI is you literally have to throw away some feats. You have to pick the overall consensus of feats and chuck the others away.

Like do we really think Base Gohan in M10 is on par with SSJ Broly?

Golden Oozaru makes more sense being 10x SSJ3.

Base/SSJ Baby-Vegeta had SSJ3 Goku on the ropes.

SSJ3 Goku: 400
Baby-Vegeta: 450

Then strongest forms 1 & 2 could be analogous to SSJ2 and 3. Not necessarily true, but it's the only reference to draw from. Could even be less without contradicting anything.

Baby-Vegeta Strongest form 2: 3,600

Golden Oozaru Goku was beating Baby-Vegeta SF2 but not blitzing him or anything.

Golden Oozaru Goku: 4,000

Goku becomes SSJ4 bust initially uses a smidgen which is close to Baby-Vegeta SF2's power before powering up and outclassing him. Baby-Vegeta then becomes Golden Oozaru, but that's less than SSJ4 Goku's power.

Golden Oozaru BV: 36,000
SSJ4 Goku: 40,000