SSGSS boost over SSG

[Future Warrior]

How much much stronger do you have Super Saiyan Blue over Super Saiyan God?

 

[Pyro]

I'm cool with 1.5-2x.

 

[Void]

I have Blue being 2x Red, thanks to the Hit fight.

 

[Papasmurf]

Even regular SSJ is only somewhat below 1/10th of Blue. 2x tops.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm pretty sure Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta at less than 10% is stronger than his Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2, otherwise he would he used those forms if it were stronger.

 

[Papasmurf]

He already drained himself from transforming to Blue once though. So his SSJ/2 would be weaker than normal.

 

[Future Warrior]

But you're power only drops at the second consecutive transformation.

 

[Papasmurf]

If the strain of a second transformation brings you down to 1/11th of your power it's not too unbelievable that you'll lose some ki after dropping out of the first transformation imo.

Not to mention, Beerus says SSJ Goku's power is supposed to be stronger than Hit's, and suppressed Hit can still paralyze SSJB 9% Vegeta. There can't be a big gap.

 

[SIAD]

I have SSJB = 2.5x SSJG.

 

[Future Warrior]

Then you would have to assume they would never be able to exploit their full power when transforming to blue. Anyways, I think it's more like the SSGSS transformation becomes weaker, not the fighter in general.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku trying to conserve energy for Blue despite having had like a half hour to rest after Frost suggests the transformation even when not consecutive is draining imo.

Not to mention SSJB 9% Vegeta > SSJ Goku >= suppressed Hit is clearly established as being not-very-big gaps, limiting how weak you can make the lower forms.

 

[Future Warrior]

Goku trying to conserve energy for Blue despite having had like a half hour to rest after Frost suggests the transformation even when not consecutive is draining imo.

Not to mention SSJB 9% Vegeta > SSJ Goku >= suppressed Hit is clearly established as being not-very-big gaps, limiting how weak you can make the lower forms.

I think it's more of actually transforming into the form that requires a lot of stamina rather than the form itself. Also, Whis only said SSB can't be used in succession over and over again, not necessarily the first time. I think his power simply drops after the second transformation.

Beerus was obviously wrong when he said Goku had the advantage, since Whis only states Goku had closed the gap between him and Hit after turning Super Saiyan God.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I think Vegeta hadn't realized it himself he was drained so much. Yeah, i know it sounds stupid, being so
drained without having or showing any physical symptoms of exhaustion, that was a stupid page anyway,
but i still go with SSJB~10x SSJ, since it's a good guideline about the DBS multipliers.

 

[Papasmurf]

I wouldn't say that Beerus was wrong considering that SSJ Goku even with the disadvantage of losing 0.1 seconds every clash still managed to keep up with Hit evenly, only deciding to transform further because his stamina would give out faster at this rate. Him being slightly ahead in power makes a lot of sense, and God was clearly stated to have rendered timeskips useless due to being far above suppressed Hit, not only slightly.

Whis also says in the same sentence that the form as a whole consumes a lot of power, and Goku started at base and SSJ despite not having used Blue before on that day which suggests Blue drains a good amount of energy simply to transform, and far more if used twice.

 

[Future Warrior]

I wouldn't say that Beerus was wrong considering that SSJ Goku even with the disadvantage of losing 0.1 seconds every clash still managed to keep up with Hit evenly, only deciding to transform further because his stamina would give out faster at this rate. Him being slightly ahead in power makes a lot of sense, and God was clearly stated to have rendered timeskips useless due to being far above suppressed Hit, not only slightly.

Whis also says in the same sentence that the form as a whole consumes a lot of power, and Goku started at base and SSJ despite not having used Blue before on that day which suggests Blue drains a good amount of energy simply to transform, and far more if used twice.

Hmm, you may be right. Although that would imply SS Goku >= Hit >> Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta (10%>) considering how effortlessly Hit stomped SSB Vegeta, and the latter was only stated to be surpassed after Goku used ''God''.

Ch. 13, pg.18.1-2
Context: Whis continuing to explain how Hit is losing
Beerus: “But Vegeta couldn’t do that even in Super Saiyan Blue.”
Whis: “Back then, he wasn’t even able to perform at 10 percent of Super Saiyan Blue’s usual strength. That form is something you can only use a few times in a single day. It consumes too much energy.”

This can be interpreted in many ways as to whether the form itself is draining like SS3 or the process of transforming into it, though the latter seems more likely.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta didn't know the nature of Hit's timeskips at the time though, which clearly makes a difference if base Goku landed a surprise shot on Hit.

I doubt the form is that draining to simply stay in the form, considering the Golden Freeza fight still happens in the manga, but it's clear every usage drains a lot of energy.

 

[Future Warrior]

Vegeta didn't know the nature of Hit's timeskips at the time though, which clearly makes a difference if base Goku landed a surprise shot on Hit.

I doubt the form is that draining to simply stay in the form, considering the Golden Freeza fight still happens in the manga, but it's clear every usage drains a lot of energy.

But Whis states Hit's timeskip is only effective against individuals who are on the same level or lower, and it's stated by Goku he would have won if he hadn't used Blue on Cabba. Also, Hit was most likely just suppressing himself against Goku since he doubted Goku figured out his technique. The same could be said when fighting SS Goku.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Anime made way more sense than the manga 10% SSJB shit at this point, until the 10x KK SSJB shit happened.

 

[ahill1]

Magetta tanked Vegeta's SSJ blast, who had to resort to a ring out and only won by accidentally insulting the metal man. If suppressed Hit were weaker than SSJ Goku, wouldn't it mean he was also weaker than Magetta? That doesn't make sense, considering the way Hit was focused even in the beginning implied he was the strongest competitor of the sixth Universe.

 

[Animelover5487]

Magetta tanked Vegeta's SSJ blast, who had to resort to a ring out and only won by accidentally insulting the metal man. If suppressed Hit were weaker than SSJ Goku, wouldn't it mean he was also weaker than Magetta? That doesn't make sense, considering the way Hit was focused even in the beginning implied he was the strongest competitor of the sixth Universe.

That has more to do with Magetta's anatomy than him actually being stronger. Magetta naturally has rock hard skin due to his Metal Man species.