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Fighting on par through teamwork and paralysis techniques =/= Rushing in with pure power.Fearless In Quarantine said:Although based on Gohan feats against Bojack minions, he was struggling against them something that is beneath of Base Bojack IMO.
That still doesn't refute Vegeta being treat as a saviour during his appearance when he should be irrelevant next to Gohan.Pakl said:The whole Roshi statement is just bullcrap imo. M9 is based on CG. Base Bojack is also far ahead of Trunks and Vegeta.
The Cell that Goku fought would've died from the Shunkan Ido Kamehameha if not for his regeneration. Going by your logic, the same should apply for Bojack.Base Bojack obviously beats Goku though
Its pretty obvious that Base Bojack is in par with Cell when he fought Goku and Gohan and Super Bojack is in par with FP Perfect Cell. M9 is based on CG
Fantastische Hure said:How is it obvious? He only defeated Vegeta, which is something Goku could do too.
How was he a saviour? He is as strong as his CG self. Gohan is clearly the strongest. Even in the wnd he was able to take on all the henchmen until Bojack kicked him out of SSjin.Captain Cadaver said:That still doesn't refute Vegeta being treat as a saviour during his appearance when he should be irrelevant next to Gohan.Pakl said:The whole Roshi statement is just bullcrap imo. M9 is based on CG. Base Bojack is also far ahead of Trunks and Vegeta.
The Cell that Goku fought would've died from the Shunkan Ido Kamehameha if not for his regeneration. Going by your logic, the same should apply for Bojack.Base Bojack obviously beats Goku though
Its pretty obvious that Base Bojack is in par with Cell when he fought Goku and Gohan and Super Bojack is in par with FP Perfect Cell. M9 is based on CG
Movie 3 is based on the Saiyan Arc, yet Tullece is obviously far stronger than Vegeta.
Movie 5 is based on the Freeza Arc, yet 4th form Coola isn't as strong as 50% Freeza.
The "Movie Villain = Canon Villain they're inspired by" argument is far from an absolute.
Fantastische Hure said:Gohan said he had an incredible Ki, which was already countered before (not by me). Bojack can just as-well be on-par with Goku or even slightly lower.
Take into account that Goku also referred to Reacoom, Butta and Jheese as "incredible" when arriving on Namek. Arguing Base Bojack was inferior to Gohan and the latter was just amazed due to the rarity of such a power is highly arguable, especially when Base Bojack's only feat is fighting Vegeta.Pakl said:Why making him weaker than that? He is obviously at least that level to make this Gohan's statement valid.
Yet the movie makes a big deal about him appearing in battle compared to Gohan initially fighting the henchmen. Also, Gohan's performance later in the fight is far different from what it was at the beginning. It's most likely he initially got Toei nerfed before getting boosted back to his canon power.Pakl said:How was he a saviour? He is as strong as his CG self. Gohan is clearly the strongest. Even in the wnd he was able to take on all the henchmen until Bojack kicked him out of SSjin.
How does it not mean anything when Bojack seems as arrogant as Cell and nowhere near as good at sensing Ki would make him even less likely to stop Goku's tactic than Cell was?Obviously a massively KHH of Goku would vaporize Bojack because of amplification too. That doesnt mean anything. Not that I think that it matters in non canon because Toei neglects this amp. See Vegeta vs Semi Cell for example in the filler when Vegeta tanked his blast but bleeded from a punch
So to you, a Saiyan survivor coming to Earth and belittling Goku for his soft nature is closer to the Namek Arc than the Saiyan Arc?Movie 3 is not based on the Saiyan Saga at all. Its based on the Namek Arc. Thats why Goku is said to be at 30k at first because he surpasses Monster Zarbon the highest power shown at that point. Movie 2 is based on the late Saiyan Arc. Guess how Uiru was protrayed.
Captain Cadaver said:Movie 5 is based on the Freeza Arc, yet 4th form Coola isn't as strong as 50% Freeza.
I can see your stance as being viable, though to Pakl with his "Every Movie villain must surpass the previous one" stance obviously preventing him from accepting that, I'm trying to establish some common ground on his logic.Tapion said:Nothing suggests this. Cooler knows his brother's true power and said Base Goku after his Zenkai was good enough to defeat Freeza. Goku's line can just as easily suggest Cooler was on par with Freeza, but then surpassed him upon transforming.
Base Goku >= 100% Freeza ~ 4th State Cooler works.
Captain Cadaver said:Take into account that Goku also referred to Reacoom, Butta and Jheese as "incredible" when arriving on Namek. Arguing Base Bojack was inferior to Gohan and the latter was just amazed due to the rarity of such a power is highly arguable, especially when Base Bojack's only feat is fighting Vegeta.Pakl said:Why making him weaker than that? He is obviously at least that level to make this Gohan's statement valid.
Yet the movie makes a big deal about him appearing in battle compared to Gohan initially fighting the henchmen. Also, Gohan's performance later in the fight is far different from what it was at the beginning. It's most likely he initially got Toei nerfed before getting boosted back to his canon power.Pakl said:How was he a saviour? He is as strong as his CG self. Gohan is clearly the strongest. Even in the wnd he was able to take on all the henchmen until Bojack kicked him out of SSjin.
How does it not mean anything when Bojack seems as arrogant as Cell and nowhere near as good at sensing Ki would make him even less likely to stop Goku's tactic than Cell was?Obviously a massively KHH of Goku would vaporize Bojack because of amplification too. That doesnt mean anything. Not that I think that it matters in non canon because Toei neglects this amp. See Vegeta vs Semi Cell for example in the filler when Vegeta tanked his blast but bleeded from a punch
Toei amp nerfing is a thing, but means little when that purely applies to movies and filler. When it comes to canon material, they make no changes, thus the Kamehameha amp from a canon version of Goku still stands.
So to you, a Saiyan survivor coming to Earth and belittling Goku for his soft nature is closer to the Namek Arc than the Saiyan Arc?Movie 3 is not based on the Saiyan Saga at all. Its based on the Namek Arc. Thats why Goku is said to be at 30k at first because he surpasses Monster Zarbon the highest power shown at that point. Movie 2 is based on the late Saiyan Arc. Guess how Uiru was protrayed.