SSJ is a 50x multiplier confirmed canon

[Classic Adamas]

I asked @MikaelHarding

 

[Super Kaioken Fan]

I asked @MikaelHarding

 

[MikaelHarding]

It is

 

[Hector]

Is it even a multiplier?

 

[Southern Gothic]

It's x2.5 GT confirmed this.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Grow some balls and make a GT list with 50x

 

[FeatsofPower]

It’s probably the safest option. To try to explain why Kaioken isn’t used in universe especially considering it’s use in Super anime because quite troublesome. There’s been too many situations where it could have been useful if Kaioken can surpass Super Saiyan.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@FeatsofPower what about Gero?

 

[FeatsofPower]

@FeatsofPower what about Gero?

It's tough. Because Gero definitely proves it's a smaller multiplier. It's a contradiction.

How do you explain it being only 10x or so? And in many cases, it feels even smaller than 10x.

But we know it cannot change. 10x is problematic for the boys in the Buu Saga, 50x is ruined by Gotenks and so on.

Oh, one thing I thought of the other day, Piccolo, who is weaker than Base Goku at the Cell Games, is stronger than the depleted MSSJ Goku who fought the Cell Jrs.

So, this proves that Ssj can be taken way below base and still be maintained. So it seems very probable that Ssj Kid Trunks is actually much stronger than Base Future Gohan, it just ended up like that after he got exhausted. Which is pretty much what everyone thought anyone.

Man, I'm itching to do another power level list I think. Would you like to see me complete one from scratch, do you think it would be worth it or no one would care?

Seeing Freeza at like a billion would be pretty freaky, but I do think you can make the most consistent list if you do it straight through.

And it seems like the Super manga wouldn't be terribly difficult to power scale, I mean, definitely some major problems there for sure, but I'm sure you could ballpark it.

Or should I try to do a Ssj Goku 150 m list or something close to what I did before with Goku at 375 m? What would you like to see?

I would love to see a full blown Dragonball true power level list. With all of the suggested levels actually in place. That would be freaky to show how huge the gaps are wouldn't it?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It's tough. Because Gero definitely proves it's a smaller multiplier. It's a contradiction.

How do you explain it being only 10x or so? And in many cases, it feels even smaller than 10x.

But we know it cannot change. 10x is problematic for the boys in the Buu Saga, 50x is ruined by Gotenks and so on.

Oh, one thing I thought of the other day, Piccolo, who is weaker than Base Goku at the Cell Games, is stronger than the depleted MSSJ Goku who fought the Cell Jrs.

So, this proves that Ssj can be taken way below base and still be maintained. So it seems very probable that Ssj Kid Trunks is actually much stronger than Base Future Gohan, it just ended up like that after he got exhausted. Which is pretty much what everyone thought anyone.

Man, I'm itching to do another power level list I think. Would you like to see me complete one from scratch, do you think it would be worth it or no one would care?

Seeing Freeza at like a billion would be pretty freaky, but I do think you can make the most consistent list if you do it straight through.

And it seems like the Super manga wouldn't be terribly difficult to power scale, I mean, definitely some major problems there for sure, but I'm sure you could ballpark it.

Or should I try to do a Ssj Goku 150 m list or something close to what I did before with Goku at 375 m? What would you like to see?

I would love to see a full blown Dragonball true power level list. With all of the suggested levels actually in place. That would be freaky to show how huge the gaps are wouldn't it?

Well he doesn't really prove it since he never got to absorb everyone, so it's just an estimation.

The only way to justify it would be to call "plot + AT doesn't care about numbers", but that's a cop-out. We gotta take the bullet here, and Gotenks isn't even the hardest part. Wait until you get to the DBS Anime.

I'd love to see it and maybe make a new one too, but I'm on my midterms right now. Shouldn't even be posting here. Wait until next week to post a list. I'm sure @Goku9001, @SIAD, @ahill1 etc would like to see it too. Do like a saga per day (or maybe more than 1 day so everyone can chime in) and we work through it properly. Last time I did a list it was like 1 saga every couple weeks and I even added some images (Though the numbers are pretty ass now).

150m seems the better choice for me. Guidebook helps keep things grounded, you know? Not because of bloat, but because it's too vague without it. Could be 250m, 375m, 500m, 1 billion, who knows? Even without it, I don't see how you could put Freeza at 1 billion without pointless bloating. This is the highest I can go:

3rd form Freeza: 2 ~ 2.5 million
Vegeta: 5 million
Goku: 7.5 million
Freeza: 8 million
SSJ Goku: 375 million

 

[FeatsofPower]

Well he doesn't really prove it since he never got to absorb everyone, so it's just an estimation.

Would you reject scouter numbers? What’s the difference, that we didn’t get physical numbers?

The only way to justify it would be to call "plot + AT doesn't care about numbers", but that's a cop-out. We gotta take the bullet here, and Gotenks isn't even the hardest part. Wait until you get to the DBS Anime.

I don’t think the DBS anime is worth doing it’s too hard. I agree it is a cop out so that won’t work. In universe logic would trump author intentions as well at times

 

[FeatsofPower]

I'd love to see it and maybe make a new one too, but I'm on my midterms right now. Shouldn't even be posting here. Wait until next week to post a list. I'm sure @Goku9001, @SIAD, @ahill1 etc would like to see it too. Do like a saga per day (or maybe more than 1 day so everyone can chime in) and we work through it properly. Last time I did a list it was like 1 saga every couple weeks and I even added some images (Though the numbers are pretty ass now).

Yeah I saw this, it looked like excellent work. Maybe you are right, I think I’ll focus on Dragonball first and really get that perfect. That would be awesome to have a great Dragonball list.