SSJ Trunks gap over Mecha Freeza

[Power Level Guy]

I have it 1.2x, but 1.33x is probably the sweet spot.

This is madness.

SSJ Trunks >= SSJ Future Gohan > Future 17 > SSJ Gohan (2 Arms) > Mecha Freeza

Fit all that in 1.2x brah

 

[Power Level Guy]

Trunks 600
Gohan 550
Future 17 500
Gohan 450
Mecha 400
Namek Goku 375
Freeza 350

Come on dude, what more you want

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

This is madness.

SSJ Trunks >= SSJ Future Gohan > Future 17 > SSJ Gohan (2 Arms) > Mecha Freeza

Fit all that in 1.2x brah

The story implies none of that. 2 arm Gohan isn’t even in the manga!

 

[Power Level Guy]

The story implies none of that. 2 arm Gohan isn’t even in the manga!

Where does the story imply Gohan is weaker than that? Arent you a SSJ Future Vegeta believer?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Where does the story imply Gohan is weaker than that?

It’s the other way around. You have to prove Gohan was anything special. SSJ Vegeta is irrelevant.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It’s the other way around. You have to prove Gohan was anything special. SSJ Vegeta is irrelevant.

SSJ Vegeta is super relevant. How strong do you have him?

 

[Animelover5487]

I would imagine Future Vegeta wouldn't be much stronger than he was during Freeza's death since he probably lost motivation to train after Gokus death like what happened in the CG but he apparently trained enough in the anime to get SSJ.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I would imagine Future Vegeta wouldn't be much stronger than he was during Freeza's death since he probably lost motivation to train after Gokus death like what happened in the CG but he apparently trained enough in the anime to get SSJ.

So how strong? Mech Freeza level or what?

 

[ahill1]

But we don't know if Vegeta was a SSJ as far as the mange goes.

 

[Power Level Guy]

But we don't know if Vegeta was a SSJ as far as the mange goes.

If he is he’s 400.

I might actually be on board with him being SSJ now.

perhaps he lost power due to lack of training and awakened SSJ due to rage from Goku’s death and leaving him
Behind without giving him a chance to avenge himself

yeah that’s what I think I’m going with

 

[Power Level Guy]

Piccolo 375
Future Vegeta 400
Future Gohan 450
Android 18 450
Android 17 500

@ahill1

what do you think

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

If nobody sensed SSJ Vegeta when he first unlocked the form in the present, why would Future Gohan know strong Future Vegeta was?

 

[Animelover5487]

So how strong? Mech Freeza level or what?

Yeah if the androids killed him with less than half power then I can't see him being much above that level. Vegeta likely hit a plateau after the lost of his rival.

 

[Power Level Guy]

If nobody sensed SSJ Vegeta when he first unlocked the form in the present, why would Future Gohan know strong Future Vegeta was?

He transformed off world

 

[DBZAOTA482]

1.25-1.33x gap. Enough for Trunks to handily win with a caveat (remember Freeza was distracted by Burning Attack).

The anime made the fight seem really one-sided, but Trunks not only overpowered Freeza he outsmarted him.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo 375
Future Vegeta 400
Future Gohan 450
Android 18 450
Android 17 500

@ahill1

what do you think

Idk... It'd be a hard scratcher for me to try scaling a hypothetical future Vegeta because he wasn't shown on screen and was mentioned in a general way with no indications of anything besides him being killed. I guess, like I assume it's the same logic you use, SSJ future Gohan (1 arms) ought to be above that Vegeta to justify his confidence in beating the androids, as he presumably would sense Vegeta's chi when being killed by the machines. Assuming Vegeta was a SSJ there, we need still guess his future Trunks' arrival power, which to me could be ~ base Namek Goku, but eh, nothing definitive either. It's tough for me to try to care about his scaling because he's just not given nearly enough we can go on, but based on the somewhat solid logic that he was << future SSJ Gohan (1 arm) but likely >= Namek SSJ Goku, I'd have (assuming the 150M number for Goku out of convenience) :

Namek SSJ Goku : 150

Future base Vegeta (mecha freeza) 3
--- after some unmotivated training : 3.5
---- SSJ : 175

Mecha Freeza : 155

SSJ future Gohan (1 arm) : 190
SSJ future Trunks (17 yo) : 210

Future #17 (less than half) : 175

Future SSJ Gohan (2 arms) : 135



Something like this, more or less.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Idk... It'd be a hard scratcher for me to try scaling a hypothetical future Vegeta because he wasn't shown on screen and was mentioned in a general way with no indications of anything besides him being killed. I guess, like I assume it's the same logic you use, SSJ future Gohan (1 arms) ought to be above that Vegeta to justify his confidence in beating the androids, as he presumably would sense Vegeta's chi when being killed by the machines.

You mean 2 Armed Gohan, right?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Assuming Vegeta was a SSJ there, we need still guess his future Trunks' arrival power,

Yeah, Mecha Freeza Vegeta directly impacts Future Vegeta. There's an issue there which is why I've always opted for Vegeta to not achieve Super Saiyan. But this is better. It just hit me the other day. It's just better.

Namek SSJ Goku : 150

Future base Vegeta (mecha freeza) 3
--- after some unmotivated training : 3.5
---- SSJ : 175

Yeah, I like this.

Future Vegeta > Namek Goku

Future Vegeta = Mecha Freeza seems perfect.

Future SSJ Gohan (2 arms) : 135

This is your major issue.

2 Arm Gohan > Future Vegeta > Namek Goku

This is the way.

Gohan waited 13 years before he started to fight the Androids. There should be a damn good reason for that. If Gohan can remember Mecha Freeza's power, no reason he can't remember Future Vegeta's.

 

[ahill1]

Gohan may have been reckless in challenging them the first time. The second one seemed to come more from a rational standpoint, understating how far he grew after training all those years.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Gohan may have been reckless in challenging them the first time. The second one seemed to come more from a rational standpoint, understating how far he grew after training all those years.

He wasn't reckless for 13 years. Why would he be reckless now? 1 arm Gohan is hardly rational, he's driven by an indication he is stronger no doubt, but he should wait for Trunks to catch up. He's driven by the deaths of the civilians.

2 Arm Gohan is rational.