SSJ Vegeta (Pre Majin) vs Dabra

[GSM123]

Take the Gohan vs Dabra thing away for a sec. Is there anything that directly implies Vegeta is stronger than Dabra as a Super Saiyan?

 

[Pyro]

I can't think of anything. It's all involving Gohan's fight with Dabura in some way.

 

[Void]

Didn't Vegeta and Goku say Dabura was no big deal before they jumped into Babidi's ship?

 

[Papasmurf]

Only Dabra never explicitly stating 3000 kiri was too much for him to handle. But as with the rest of Babidi's spaceship.... logic is not applicable here.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Goku's shock expression after Majin Vegeta becomes a SSJ2, but I think that's because Goku didn't expect Vegeta to be as strong as him.

Didn't Vegeta and Goku say Dabura was no big deal before they jumped into Babidi's ship?

That was before Goku fought Yakon. Before they jumped into Babidi's ship, Goku ask if Piccolo and Kuririn can return back to normal, Shin tell him Dabura will have to die, which Goku say that's easy.

 

[Papasmurf]

I've honestly always had Galu not being at FP against Yakon. Saves a whole lot of faggotry explanations like "Gohan's aura was illustrated wrong to show he'd weakened" and also works relatively well with keeping the SSJ multiplier over 4x lol.

 

[GSM123]

Didn't Vegeta and Goku say Dabura was no big deal before they jumped into Babidi's ship?

Yeah, but Vegeta's statement is rather odd. He shits all over Dabra to then only says they can "Manage something".

 

[Pyro]

Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.1-4
Context: after Kaioshin again warns against unleashing Boo
Vegeta: “Hmph…The way things are going, this ‘Majin Boo’ guy isn’t going to be anything special, is he? Just like that ‘Dabra’ jerk…[ ] I’m saying that this ‘Dabra’ guy doesn’t seem as bad as you two feared. Looking at his attacks and movement outside earlier, it seems that if we just watch out for his spit, then we should manage something. I can’t call Kibito anything but a bumbler for getting done-in like that…”
Kaioshin: “…Is-is that true, Son Goku?...”
Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…”

It's an interesting passage that can be taken multiple ways. I could assume Vegeta means managing something with all of them attacking as a unit since he says "we." And then Goku says Dabura is as strong as Cell, which would have been an issue before not anymore...and we know from later on that Goku isn't very far above Gohan from the Cell Games.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah dat's part of the reason why I never saw Dabura as being on SPC/SSJ2 tier

 

[Flame]

Vegeta wins

 

[GSM123]

I could assume Vegeta means managing something with all of them attacking as a unit since he says "we."

Definitely not that. Vegeta would rather die than fight alongside Goku and Gohan.

 

[Pyro]

I could assume Vegeta means managing something with all of them attacking as a unit since he says "we."

Definitely not that. Vegeta would rather die than fight alongside Goku and Gohan.

That's an odd way of comparing himself (or someone else individually) to Dabura, then. He could have just said "I'll manage something," or repeat what Goku said about killing Dabura being easy peasy.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I take that as Vegeta saying all of them individually would be able to manage something if they watch out for his spit. Basically, whoever had to fight Dabra only needs to be aware of his spit.

All we know is that Goku and Vegeta can defeat Dabra. No form is specified.

 

[Void]

Yeah, Vegeta is not on board with fighting as a team. Neither is Goku.

 

[Pyro]

So there really isn't much evidence Vegeta, as a Super Saiyan, could take down Dabura—disregarding the Dabura fight itself.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I've seen people say Dabra calling Vegeta the "Perfect Fighter" should suffice as proof that Super Saiyan Vegeta>Dabra.

But looking at everything as a whole, it doesn't seem all that worthwhile in proving anything.

 

[Void]

I mean, Dabura fighting is the only real way to judge it anyways.

 

[Pyro]

I've seen people say Dabra calling Vegeta the "Perfect Fighter" should suffice as proof that Super Saiyan Vegeta>Dabra.

But looking at everything as a whole, it doesn't seem all that worthwhile in proving anything.

Then what's its purpose?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

To get them to fight each other. It's a convenient outcome for someone who doesn't feel like wasting energy and time.

Dabra only took note of Vegeta when he yelled out that he only wanted to fight Goku. His assessment of Vegeta's power would've been completely arbitrary. Now you could say Dabra assumed Vegeta was way stronger than Gohan, whom he struggled to handle in battle. It would actually be logical. That leaves us with this questions: Was the kiri reading of Super Saiyan Goku less than his full power?

If Goku's reading was inaccurate, then it leaves room for Gohan's Super Saiyan to be above the reading. We know Dabra is at least above the kiri level displayed.

 

[GSM123]

I've seen people say Dabra calling Vegeta the "Perfect Fighter" should suffice as proof that Super Saiyan Vegeta>Dabra.

But looking at everything as a whole, it doesn't seem all that worthwhile in proving anything.

Yeah, i noticed that this week. When you think about he has never seen Vegeta as a SSJ before and he didn't notice Vegeta until he started yelling about how he wants to fight Goku. He's just going off Vegeta's rage being enough to possess him.

Goku and Gohan did shake their boots to SSJ Vegeta and Babidi was confident he could kill everyone, though.