SSJ2 Goku (burst) vs Super Perfect Cell
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Pre Majin SSJ2 Vegeta is stronger than SPC imo (he was confident in fighting Gohan I'm the tournament not knowing the full extent he slacked off to), so Goku wins.
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Goku. I don’t see why that burst level can’t be representative of his FP.
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So? He's just asking Goku to transform.
I don't think there's anything special about that burst. Goku just flashed SSJ2, but Vegeta figured everything out right there and even said he knew/expected Goku to be above Gohan later.
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No he isn't, he says he's looking forward to seeing how far Goku got through his training. He wouldn't be looking forward to it had he already seen it.
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Yes he would? Vegeta wants to fight Goku, how is seeing his power for 1 second going to do anything for him?
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It was enough for Vegeta to know that he was completely outclassed. You're over complicating a simple situation. Vegeta saw Goku's power first hand, then was still looking forward to seeing Goku's best. What else would he be excited to see from Goku? Maybe Goku learned some magical spells while dead...
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SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta > CG SSJ2 Gohan > SSJ2 Goku (Burst) > SSJ2 Pre Majin Vegeta > SPC = Dabura imo
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Vegeta only caught a glimpse of Goku’s power because it was so quick. It’s self explanatory, really: A burst is by definition pretty quick, too quick to see properly. It is not, however, a limited/suppressed showcase. That’s a needless complication. There’s no need to think Goku is suppressed when the fact that Vegeta barely even saw him was enough.
If a red car speeds past me, I can be sure it’s red at least. I can’t tell what car it was unless I take a proper look.
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"Burst" is merely a fan term that helps distinguish which Goku is being discussed. That isn't the reason why we assume Goku is suppressed. Your entire argument is essentially that every major ki sensor in DB is completely incompetent. Gohan immediately says that he felt how incredible the ki was, and Vegeta was able to tell that Goku was both SSJ2 and well ahead of his own level of power. So it's pretty obvious that they were able to fully grasp Goku's level. Your car analogy is a completely irrelevant way to try to twist the facts in your favour. I'll break it down in the simplest of terms.
- Goku transforms and kills Yakon, both Gohan and Vegeta see it and feel how incredible his Ki was.
- Vegeta says he is looking forward to seeing Goku's full power to see how far he came over 7 years.
- Vegeta applauds Goku's gains and says he surpassed Gohan.
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What? How is Vegeta incompetent for not catching every detail on something that happened in the blink of an eye? What makes you think it's even possible? Ki sense is a sense like any other. Somethings just happen faster than you can see or hear... If distance can difficult Ki sensing why not time?
Gohan and Majin Vegeta were so close Piccolo could barely tell them apart, obviously that would require a much better grasp than the quick exposure Vegeta had. In fact, Vegeta even expected Goku to be stronger already. He wouldn't even have a clue if Goku was suppressed, like on Namek when he didn't have that much of a grasp on Goku besides what he was actually seeing. Vegeta is a master of combat, not of Ki sensing.
Gohan and Majin Vegeta were so close Piccolo could barely tell them apart, obviously that would require a much better grasp than the quick exposure Vegeta had. In fact, Vegeta even expected Goku to be stronger already. He wouldn't even have a clue if Goku was suppressed, like on Namek when he didn't have that much of a grasp on Goku besides what he was actually seeing. Vegeta is a master of combat, not of Ki sensing.
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Because time and again characters are aware of changes in ki instantly, and to say they aren't able to tell how powerful that ki is is simply absurd. When 2nd Form Freeza powered up in the blink of an eye, Piccolo immediately could tell how powerful he had become from across the planet. To say that Vegeta couldn't sense Goku's power here is directly stating that he is more incompetent than Namek level fighters. Also who said that this happened in the blink of an eye anyway? Yakon had to swell up and explode, it's not like it was an instantaneous event. There was more than enough time to get a grasp on the situation.
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That's an awful comparison though. Freeza didn't do it as a burst, he just increased his Ki and stayed that way. Anybody could notice that. It's more like Kuririn and Gohan not noticing Goku's power was rising when he fought the Ginyu Force.
In the manga it looks almost instantaneous, but the anime did make the power much much more visible and drawn out.
Here in the dub Vegeta even suggests Goku was suppressed (Saying he had power to spare), but I don't know if that's accurate to the Japanese version. The episode's title does suggest Goku was at full power here, though.
Goku’s Power Wide Open!! Blow Away Yakon
In the manga it looks almost instantaneous, but the anime did make the power much much more visible and drawn out.
Goku’s Power Wide Open!! Blow Away Yakon
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Except Vegeta was able to.
Chapter: 281 (DBZ 87), P11.2-4
Jheese: “Wh-what’s going on…?! There’s no mistake that his battle power is only 5,000…”
Vegeta: “Ka-Kakarot rapidly heightens his battle power for the brief instant when he attacks…That’s probably to decrease unnecessary energy consumption…It’s for an extremely brief instant, so even the scouters probably can’t pick up on it…Th-this is an outrageous battle power…H-how did he get that kind of power?...”
Goku's bursts against the Ginyus were defined as instant, even Vegeta who was a poor ki sensor at the time was able to perfectly gauge his battle power, and those bursts were undoubtedly much shorter than the burst seen against Yakon. If your argument is that Vegeta wasn't able to gauge SSJ2 Goku's power, then he is inferior to Namek Vegeta or infinitely more incompetent.
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Cell gets it done.
