SSJ2's Z Power Levels

[Big Ank]

Yeah either that or maybe Freeza initially just increased his speed when dodging Vegeta's blow, as he only noticed speed there... and when kicking the blast he was bringing his strength to the level of the speed up.

 

[GSM123]

I think Freeza only displayed one level in his final form before going 50%. His Ki isn’t really noted to increase like it often his, and when he mocks Vegeta he says it was only him getting a bit serious and raising his speed. Sounds like effort stuff to me. Same with Goku, where he already had quite a upperhand before. Even Goku himself only took off his shirt to “get serious”.

Nice formatting for the list also.

 

[Big Ank]

I never liked this effort explanation too much. It may be nice to explain someone's differing performances when they can't suppress their chi, but outside of that if one's effort increases they should be assigned different levels imo.

 

[GSM123]

Excuse me good sir, but there’s still 190 chapters of Dragon Ball left.

 

[SSJ2]

Going to update them as I go through Kai. Still at Namek.

 

[SSJ2]

Added Mecha Freeza.

 

[Pyro]

You're trolling with Krillin being weaker than Tenshinhan, I'm assuming.

Other shit looks fine.

 

[SSJ2]

You're trolling with Krillin being weaker than Tenshinhan, I'm assuming.

Other shit looks fine.

No. I don’t think Krillin surpasses Ten until after the 3 year gap. Krillin was dead for a year while Tenshinhan was training on Kaio’s planet. It’s reasonable for him to have reclaimed the lead he had at the beginning of Z.

 

[Pyro]

You're trolling with Krillin being weaker than Tenshinhan, I'm assuming.

Other shit looks fine.

No. I don’t think Krillin surpasses Ten until after the 3 year gap. Krillin was dead for a year while Tenshinhan was training on Kaio’s planet. It’s reasonable for him to have reclaimed the lead he had at the beginning of Z.

Wouldn't it make more sense for Krillin to get his lead on Namek?

 

[Big Ank]

Yeah, I'd say getting the lead on Namek makes the most sense. But well, Tenshinhan's gap over Kuririn in the battle against Vegeta and Nappa seemed significantly smaller than the one from 1 year ago, so I guess it can be argued Kuririn can producce more gains when under, more or less, the same training benefits.

 

[SSJ2]

You guys are forgetting that Tenshinhan was always shown to be the one with greater potential throughout all of Dragon Ball and even still by a wide margin at BoZ.

Tenshinhan: 266 days on Kaio's planet + 1 year of training on earth

Krillin: Potential unlock on Namek + 1 year and 130 days of earth training

This is assuming that Krillin was training at full capacity every day. Given what we know about how much more effective training with Kaio is as opposed to Earth (see Piccolo's 6 day gains), I fail to see how it's unreasonable for Ten to have gained a slight lead over Krillin during this time. Krillin was already maxed out by Saichoro so it's impressive that he was able to make such gains on Earth after his revival. Eventually after the 3 years, Krillin gains an edge on Tenshinhan after Ten reaches his limits. Problem?

 

[GSM123]

Kuririn and Yamcha caught up pretty easily to Tenshinhan. I’m not sure if he’s that gifted or just trained harder most of his life.

How could Kuririn catch up and surpass Tenshinhan in the 3 years? For all we know he didn’t have a sparring partner like Tenshinhan does (And the figure you gave Chaozu makes him a pretty strong one).

 

[SSJ2]

What do you mean how? I stated directly above that Tenshinhan reached his temporary limits at that point in time. You're also acting like I have Tenshinhan dramatically above Krillin. 3 years is a long time to make up a miniscule gap.

 

[GSM123]

But Kuririn is the one who had all of the dormant power within his body unlocked, not Tenshinhan. So how come Tenshinhan is the one running into walls here?

 

[SSJ2]

Tenshinhan reached them by training. Krillin reached them unnaturally. Tenshinhan had the equivalent of thousands of years of earth training on Kaio's planet. With that plus another year on earth, it makes sense that he'd run into his limits. Limits in Dragon Ball constantly reset or change.

How is it any different than Goku having his dormant power released by the Choshinsui only to become incalculably stronger within the next 3 years? Limits change.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

This list is clearly incomplete, I can't find Appule or Orlen on it.

 

[GSM123]

Tenshinhan reached them by training. Krillin reached them unnaturally. Tenshinhan had the equivalent of thousands of years of earth training on Kaio's planet. With that plus another year on earth, it makes sense that he'd run into his limits. Limits in Dragon Ball constantly reset or change.

How is it any different than Goku having his dormant power released by the Choshinsui only to become incalculably stronger within the next 3 years? Limits change.

Regardless of limits, there’s no doubt the wall Kuririn has ran into is definitely a harder one to surpass than Tenshinhan’s, or at the very least similar. Kuririn has failed all his life to catch to Tenshinhan through natural means, supernatural ones like the potential should be the only chance he’s got.

Limits may change, but they stay consistent between each other. Goku capped out above everyone else when he drank the Choushinsui, and when he maxed out again years later he was still the top dog. More potential also means higher limits. And since you brought up Teen Goku, keep in mind that he, like Gohan, was still growing up and had more potential to tap. Kuririn was at his peak age, and he’s not a Saiyan with bottomless potential.

 

[SSJ2]

[mention]GreatSaiyaman123[/mention] changed it just to silence you.

 

[GSM123]

That’s the perfect way to silence me up. I am proud of you SSJ2.

 

[GSM123]

Why do you think Gohan's Masenko was = 3rd form Freeza?