SSJ2's Z Power Levels
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Added the early Android Saga. Spent a lot of time trying to work out Gero's calculations but couldn't make them work using a 50x SSJ multiplier. So either:
1. Gero figured he could beat Vegeta despite being at a significant disadvantage.
2. Gero was seriously underestimating Vegeta.
I think it could be a combo of both. The fact that Gero fell for Vegeta's bluff after he had beaten 19 tells me that he didn't have an accurate grasp on his power. His sensor should have been able to tell him that he was seriously weakened at that point but clearly it did not..
With suppressed Piccolo, Gohan and the humans absorbed, he reaches ~400,000,000 by my numbers. How he figured that would be enough to beat Vegeta? I truly don't know.
1. Gero figured he could beat Vegeta despite being at a significant disadvantage.
2. Gero was seriously underestimating Vegeta.
I think it could be a combo of both. The fact that Gero fell for Vegeta's bluff after he had beaten 19 tells me that he didn't have an accurate grasp on his power. His sensor should have been able to tell him that he was seriously weakened at that point but clearly it did not..
With suppressed Piccolo, Gohan and the humans absorbed, he reaches ~400,000,000 by my numbers. How he figured that would be enough to beat Vegeta? I truly don't know.
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Sounds good by me, I'm getting off with a 1.3x power up nowadays.
Though I think 20 pre should be stronger than 19 post, or at least end up the stronger one post absorptions... Gero's Daizenshuu 7 bio says he's the stronger of the two, and knowing the other failed androids it makes sense Gero would bring an Android that's build to be weaker than him as a safety measure.
Though I think 20 pre should be stronger than 19 post, or at least end up the stronger one post absorptions... Gero's Daizenshuu 7 bio says he's the stronger of the two, and knowing the other failed androids it makes sense Gero would bring an Android that's build to be weaker than him as a safety measure.
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What's the problem with Trunks surpassing SSJ Gohan when his SSJ was previously < base Gohan? Nothing states Trunks can't get that stronger.
Besides, Gohan seemed to actually change his mindset on Trunks getting THAT strong when he considered he was gonna die. He said Trunks would be the one with strength enough to defeat those killing machines in a "few years".
Besides, Gohan seemed to actually change his mindset on Trunks getting THAT strong when he considered he was gonna die. He said Trunks would be the one with strength enough to defeat those killing machines in a "few years".
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My issue isn’t with Trunks getting stronger in a short span of time. My issue is that I believe Trunks would be too weak to become a Super Saiyan at that level. There has been a precedent in the manga of Saiyans being at least in the millions of Battle Power before being able to transform. Given that having a pure heart and being awoken by rage were the requirements for the transformation, why didn’t Gohan transform sooner in the current timeline? Several of his rage boosts come to mind, but notably against 2nd Form Freeza. That may have been as angry as Gohan got, and given that he just watched Krillin get impaled, it would have been the perfect time for him to transform, no? Vegeta even wondered if he was the Super Saiyan “in progress” at that point, which says to me that he was still too weak.
I doubt Trunks with a measly battle power of ~90,000 would be able to transform into Super Saiyan. What could have caused him to become more enraged than Gohan was against Freeza?
Gohan’s quotes don’t necessarily contradict when his first quote was stated before he went to his death. Logically if he had stayed alive and continued mentoring Trunks, his rate of growth would have been much higher than it was alone. My numbers reflect that.
I doubt Trunks with a measly battle power of ~90,000 would be able to transform into Super Saiyan. What could have caused him to become more enraged than Gohan was against Freeza?
Gohan’s quotes don’t necessarily contradict when his first quote was stated before he went to his death. Logically if he had stayed alive and continued mentoring Trunks, his rate of growth would have been much higher than it was alone. My numbers reflect that.
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Your comparison with FnF Freeza made it sound like that.
I get your problems though. Well, I don't feel there's a limit set for a Saiyajin for him to become a SSJ. I think the answer could lie simply on Gohan and Trunks being different pereonas. Maybe Trunkk has a lower limit set to his base state needed for the chain reaction to trigger and the transformation to commence. I also don't see SSJ as a set multiplier, so I think it's possible that base Trunks could be fairly strong relative to his SSJ transformation. Say base Gohan was at 4,000,000 there, with SSJ teen future Trunks at 3,000,000 and base Trunks at 1,000,000...
It's also worth noting that Vegeta considered Goku as a SSJ when this latter brandished a ~60,000 BP against the Ginyus. Sure, Vegeta knew very little about the SSJs there, but maybe that could be a hint that a 60,000 BP is what's needed to cross the mark between a simple Saiyajin and a SSJ? Could be... if you apply the 50x multiplier, that could leave base teen Trunks and SSJ teen Trunks with justifiable levels.
Sure, that's what I was getting at, I didn't mean to say they were conflicting quotes. Only that Gohan's tutelage seemed to make a hell of a difference on Trunks' improvement... and Trunks training alone would raise the "few months" to "few years". A good argument for training as a duo rather than alone making a heck of a difference.
