SSjin Blue Vegetto In Anime And Manga

[Pakl]

Do you think Manga Blue Vegetto is stronger than Anime Blue Vegetto? Manga wise he was compared to Beerus and might be stronger.. He also easily smacked around Merged Zamasu unlike the Snime where the gap was not shown to be that big... Can Manga Blue Vegetto be a match for Jiren? I think so... Anime wise though he was nerfed and likely weaker than the hakaishins let alone Jiren...

 

[SSJ2]

Yes he's definitely nerfed in the anime if Kaioken x2 Goku can have decent effect against MZ. The manga makes his placement clear.

 

[Pakl]

Kaioken Goku was weaker than Zamasu.... Zamasu was way ahead of the blue saiyans.... Also thats pre light of justice Zamasu

 

[SSJ2]

Didn't Goku stall him with a KHH on his own or am I remembering wrong?

 

[Papasmurf]

He got some resolve hax while shooting the KHH and the overflow of ki destroyed his arms or some shit iirc

 

[SSJ2]

That makes me inclined to think Vegetto is weaker than he should be by a huge margin.

 

[Pakl]

But thats before Zamasu powered up

 

[Papasmurf]

my headcanon is that Galu used 10x Kaioken thanks to the Kefla mess where he apparently used 20x on Kefla off the bat, but yeah Vegetto seems a few times weaker than he should've been. I assume that either Toei got the idea to include Vegetto to follow the manga more after they got AT's scenario to make MZ weak enough for two Blues to fight him or that Toyotaro saw how he wasn't that strong in the anime and decided to make him more powerful.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku/Vegeta 10s x = Vegetto according to the anime. Does not compute with what was shown in the Boo Saga and even self-contradicted in its own arc in the ToP Saga with Kefla. But that's why we don't go by Anime logic. :elmo :elmo :elmo

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Didn't Gowasu talk about Zamasu as if his power was on an entirely different level compared to other Gods?

That seems to be "Beerus" statement of the Anime. The Manga's statement is more clear, but it's still left open.

Merged Zamasu seemed more powerful in the Anime than he did in the Manga to me.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Didn't Gowasu talk about Zamasu as if his power was on an entirely different level compared to other Gods?

That seems to be "Beerus" statement of the Anime. The Manga's statement is more clear, but it's still left open.

Merged Zamasu seemed more powerful in the Anime than he did in the Manga to me.

Really? Well maybe if you compare them without taking into account the different scalings, but Zamas in the manga blitzed both Goku and Vegeta.

 

[Animelover5487]

Didn't Gowasu talk about Zamasu as if his power was on an entirely different level compared to other Gods?

That seems to be "Beerus" statement of the Anime. The Manga's statement is more clear, but it's still left open.

Merged Zamasu seemed more powerful in the Anime than he did in the Manga to me.

Gowasu also said SS2 Goku rivaled a GoD........

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Didn't that have more to do with him going off of Beerus' statement, if anything?

Gowasu actually seemed surprised that someone like Goku could rival a Hakaishin.

 

[Animelover5487]

Exactly, that is my point. Gowasu isn't a reliable source when talking about the power of a Hakaishin.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

But can't that apply to Kaioshin as well? Most people consider him to be an unreliable source on...well, everything.

 

[Pakl]

my headcanon is that Galu used 10x Kaioken thanks to the Kefla mess where he apparently used 20x on Kefla off the bat, but yeah Vegetto seems a few times weaker than he should've been. I assume that either Toei got the idea to include Vegetto to follow the manga more after they got AT's scenario to make MZ weak enough for two Blues to fight him or that Toyotaro saw how he wasn't that strong in the anime and decided to make him more powerful.

Nothing indicated Goku used kaioken x20 vs Kefla.. He said "kaioken" so its just 2x.... He was also tired so I dont think he could use x20

 

[Papasmurf]

SSJ Kefla ~ spirit bomb so that's what it scale to mate.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He was also tired so I dont think he could use x20

He shouldn't have been able to use Ultra Instinct again in that state either...

 

[Pyro]

my headcanon is that Galu used 10x Kaioken thanks to the Kefla mess where he apparently used 20x on Kefla off the bat, but yeah Vegetto seems a few times weaker than he should've been. I assume that either Toei got the idea to include Vegetto to follow the manga more after they got AT's scenario to make MZ weak enough for two Blues to fight him or that Toyotaro saw how he wasn't that strong in the anime and decided to make him more powerful.

Nothing indicated Goku used kaioken x20 vs Kefla.. He said "kaioken" so its just 2x.... He was also tired so I dont think he could use x20

What level of Kaio-Ken do you think Goku was using against Freeza before he specified x20?

 

[Pakl]

He was also tired so I dont think he could use x20

He shouldn't have been able to use Ultra Instinct again in that state either...

Ultra instinct is different... It awakened in him like his SSJ vs Freeza....