Super Gogeta vs Buuhan

[FeatsofPower]

Why can't Gogeta win this? Shouldn't he be immensely powerful?

 

[Yoshi]

Even if they were somehow equal, Boo has regeneration and Gogeta has a time limit.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku says Potara is the only way they can defeat Boo.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Goku says Potara is the only way they can defeat Boo.

At a point in which he had no time for Vegeta to learn the dance. It's also possible for him to not be thinking clearly considering that they were in a desperate situation.

 

[FeatsofPower]

At a point in which he had no time for Vegeta to learn the dance. It's also possible for him to not be thinking clearly considering that they were in a desperate situation.

Exactly. Goku later shows us that fusion is an option. He wasn't thinking of it at the time.

Super Saiyan Gogeta smashed Super Janemba, who should be a level above Super Buu.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Exactly. Goku later shows us that fusion is an option. He wasn't thinking of it at the time.

Super Saiyan Gogeta smashed Super Janemba, who should be a level above Super Buu.

I didn't realized this was Movie 12 Gogeta, even then I don't think there's anything to evaluate his capabilities considering that the short "fight" he had, was not being close of being one, it was an absolute massacre on his hands towards the monster .

 

[FeatsofPower]

I didn't realized this was Movie 12 Gogeta, even then I don't think there's anything to evaluate his capabilities considering that the short "fight" he had, was not being close of being one, it was an absolute massacre on his hands towards the monster .

Movie 12 Gogeta and Buu Saga Goku should be the same imo

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Movie 12 Gogeta and Buu Saga Goku should be the same imo

Aren't you referring to Gogeta?

 

[Pakl]

Super Saiyan Gogeta smashed Super Janemba, who should be a level above Super Buu.

No. Janemba is comparable is to Evil Boo. He is even weaker though. M12 SSjin Gogeta ~ Ultimate Gohan IMO

 

[FeatsofPower]

No. Janemba is comparable is to Evil Boo. He is even weaker though. M12 SSjin Gogeta ~ Ultimate Gohan IMO

What’s the point of having a Fat Janemba above Fat Buu and a Super Janemba below Super? Super Janemba’s entire point of existence is to be superior to Super Buu.

Also, it’s literally Gogeta. Ain’t no way Gohan is beating freaking Gogeta, just think about the optics. AT and TOEI would never go for it.

 

[Pakl]

What’s the point of having a Fat Janemba above Fat Buu and a Super Janemba below Super? Super Janemba’s entire point of existence is to be superior to Super Buu.

Also, it’s literally Gogeta. Ain’t no way Gohan is beating freaking Gogeta, just think about the optics. AT and TOEI would never go for it.

So what? Fat Janemba appeared long after Fat Boo. Yet, Movie 12 was released before Evil Boo showed his full power and before Gotenks went SSjin. Janemba is clearly comparable to Evil Boo and he has zero feats to put him even in par with Evil Boo's FP.

You look at it from a nowadays prespective. Think that at the time Movie 12 came out, Gotenks did not even transform into SSjin 3. So having M12 SSjin Gogeta ~ Ultimate Gohan is really a monster at that time of the movie's release. Also, it fits pretty well becuase of when the movie came out. Also, Gogeta beating Janemba with physical attacks seems similiar to how Gohan attacked Evil Boo. I also think M12 SSjin Gogeta ~ Manga Gogeta ~ Ultimate Gohan.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I think that Janemba movie comes to the idea of what had happened if Goku fought Super Buu, Goku states he is no match for him and then suggest Fusion, I think it follows that sequence. But Movie 12 Goku is also suggested to have been training whereas Vegeta remained the same.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Super Janemba is a parallel of Super Buu. There is no point in making a weaker movie villain with the same set up.

Super Janemba > Super Buu > Fat Janemba > Fat Buu

Gogeta is the franchise’s most decorated character, he’s going to get the love.

The only fighter in the universe who can defeat Gogeta is Vegetto and only because Goku >>> Vegeta here. This is the best narrative.

 

[Yoshi]

The Anime follows the Kid Boo > Super Boo logic. It only makes sense that Movie 12 does too.

 

[Pakl]

Super Janemba is a parallel of Super Buu. There is no point in making a weaker movie villain with the same set up.

Super Janemba > Super Buu > Fat Janemba > Fat Buu

Gogeta is the franchise’s most decorated character, he’s going to get the love.

The only fighter in the universe who can defeat Gogeta is Vegetto and only because Goku >>> Vegeta here. This is the best narrative.

Again, Fat Janemba being stronger than Fat Boo has nothing to do with Evil Boo being stronger than Janemba. The Movie came out long time after Fat Boo appeared so it's legit for Fat Janemba to be stronger than Fat Boo. However, Movie 12 came out before Gotenks went SSjin 3 and Evil Boo showed his full power. Therefore, Janemba being stronger than Evil Boo is not likely. Also, every movie villian is comparable to a specific state of a villian much or less. Why would Janemba be ahead of Evil Boo? Who is he compared to in terms of power? The strongest villian revealed at that point in the Manga was Evil Boo so Janemba is at best his equal.

 

[Pakl]

As for Gogeta, again, you are looking at that from future prespective. at the time of movie 12, Gotenks did not even show SSjin 3. I can agree that when it comes to the Manga, Gogeta might be stronger than that and can be as strong as the plot wants him at that point but it's irrelevant for movie 12 because at that point, Gotenks did not even show SSjin 3 so SSjin Gogeta being as strong as Ultimate Gohan in Movie 12 seems to make sense especially when that was the strongest character at the Manga when the ovie started it production.

 

[Pakl]

The Anime follows the Kid Boo > Super Boo logic. It only makes sense that Movie 12 does too.

No. The Anime follows that logic once Pure Boo appears in the Anime but not before that. Goku gets more haxed as the Boo Saga goes on in the Anime. At that time of movie 12, the Anime was only at the fight of Evil Boo vs SSjin Gotenks. No hax was given to Goku at that point because he had no one to surpass by getting haxed yet.

Also, Movie 12 Goku is not thay much stronger than Canon Goku

 

[FeatsofPower]

I agree, I don't think that the Kid Buu Hax is in effect for M12. M12 Goku should be reasonably superior to Buu Saga Goku, he shouldn't be anywhere near his haxxed level imo.

However, this does not change the idea that Gogeta is a gargantuan power. Gogeta should be the second strongest character, only second to Vegetto.

TOEI and Toriyama would get behind this as well. Toriyama never intended to make Super Gogeta one shot material for Super Buu. Definitely not.

 

[Goku9001]

Goku says Potara is the only way they can defeat Boo.

I thought so too but Goku said "it's the only way to defeat Buu" in response to Vegeta refusing to merge with Goku. That sort of leans in on the idea that Goku is saying that "we have to fuse to beat Vegeta" in response to Vegeta claiming "I'd never merge with you" rather than "we have to use potaras" because Vegeta doesn't mention potaras specifically.

Spoiler

 

[Papasmurf]

The Anime follows the Kid Boo > Super Boo logic. It only makes sense that Movie 12 does too.

It was written before Kid Boo even existed in the anime. Plus Vegeta landed more hits and did better against Janemba than he did 1st from Hildegarn.