Super-Saiyan 2 Goku (Namek) vs Piccolo (post-Kami)

[Fantastische Hure]

Piccolo wins, though it wouldn't quite be a stomp.

Can you show numbers, if you have?

Shit

As for 17/Piccolo, 18 did say that Piccolo and 17 were on par.

Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P8.3
No.18: “He really is tough. He’s on par with No.17.”

And while he said his punch wasn't very good, he complemented his speed in the same statement.

Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P5.5-7
Piccolo: “Your speed is pretty good...But your punch lacks weight.”
No.17: "What? Say, who do you think you’re talking to? I’m Android No.17, the strongest in history…”

I think it is best to simply leave them as equals.

@Kyo used to do a thing, where he switched their speeds and power. Piccolo's power-level would be at #17's speed-level or something. I think #18 statement can be just taken as fighting competitively, like even Freeza you could say fought almost on-par with Goku.

But 17 also admits that they are on par power wise:

Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P14.3
Context: after fighting merged Piccolo for a long time
No.17: “Heh. Even if our power is on par, it looks like a gap is starting to open up between our stamina…My energy is infinite, and never falls…”

On-par can mean on even ground, right?! I mean even Trunks thought Vegeta was fighting on-par with #18.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah Piccolo seems to have the power advantage imo, #17 might have had a slight speed advantage based on the way Piccolo worded his assessment. Either way, Piccolo's advantage isn't enough for him to take any definite lead so they're even for all intents and purposes.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Can you show numbers, if you have?


@Kyo used to do a thing, where he switched their speeds and power. Piccolo's power-level would be at #17's speed-level or something. I think #18 statement can be just taken as fighting competitively, like even Freeza you could say fought almost on-par with Goku.

But 17 also admits that they are on par power wise:

Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P14.3
Context: after fighting merged Piccolo for a long time
No.17: “Heh. Even if our power is on par, it looks like a gap is starting to open up between our stamina…My energy is infinite, and never falls…”

On-par can mean on even ground, right?! I mean even Trunks thought Vegeta was fighting on-par with #18.

But I thought Piccolo and 17's fight was mostly in the air.

Maybe 17 can't throw a good punch? He was just some random human teenager, so I don't see any reason for him to be particularly skilled.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But 17 also admits that they are on par power wise:

Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P14.3
Context: after fighting merged Piccolo for a long time
No.17: “Heh. Even if our power is on par, it looks like a gap is starting to open up between our stamina…My energy is infinite, and never falls…”

On-par can mean on even ground, right?! I mean even Trunks thought Vegeta was fighting on-par with #18.

But I thought Piccolo and 17's fight was mostly in the air.

I'm sorry. I meant they were fighting on even air, of-course.

 

[Papasmurf]

Weren't they fist-fighting the entire time it took for Cell to arrive while suppressed? Since they were on the ground then, they might've actually spent more of it on ground.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I remember they fought some in the air, but also remember them fighting on the ground a-lot.

In-fact Piccolo shot the Ki-Blasts from the ground to #17 in the air, where he thought he could finish him, but then the barrier happened.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah manga-wise the only time they were in air was when Piccolo tried to blow up #17 and he just ed with the barrier shit.

 

[Papasmurf]

And I don't know about 17's skill being so poor. They have no issues using barriers and blasts (even the Kienzan), and they have files on all the Z senshi. Also sounds like something Vegeta would point out to taunt #18 with since he talked so much shit in that fight. Hell, a guy who spent all his life in a lab became a nimble as fuck little creep after machinification too.

 

[Six Trails]

Can you show numbers, if you have?

Yep.

Freeza: 240
SS Goku (Namek): 250
Mecha Freeza: 270
SS Trunks (Trunks saga): 450
SS Goku (Yardrat): 500
Piccolo (Androids): 720
SS Goku (Androids): 960
SS Vegeta (Androids): 1,000
SS2 Goku (Namek): 1,250
Piccolo (post-Kami): 1,600

I threw in some reference numbers for no particular reason other than to show off my kewl numbers.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

^They are kewl.

Also gives me some perspective and context.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

@Papasmurf Would you consider Freeza to be a skilled fighter?

 

[Papasmurf]

He duped Goku into falling for his psychic sphere attack thingy, so more skilled than the average joe imo.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nah SuperGoku loses to the Mighty Pinochio.