Super Saiyan 3 Multiplier

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If Base Gotenks is Super Saiyan 2 tier, then Super Saiyan 3 is going to be a monster boost. Maybe a 20x boost or so.

Base Gotenks 10
SSJ2 Goku 20
SSJ3 Goku 80
SSJ Gotenks 500
 

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What if fusion simply has its own Super Saiyan multiplier? Casting the narrative aside, why would Piccolo need to see SSJ Gotenks if he had already seen the extent of Base Gotenks' power? If the Super Saiyan multiplier was assumed to be the same as it always is, this should have been a simple calculation for Piccolo... and yet, he still wanted to see them try fusion as Super Saiyans.
 

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What if fusion simply has its own Super Saiyan multiplier? Casting the narrative aside, why would Piccolo need to see SSJ Gotenks if he had already seen the extent of Base Gotenks' power? If the Super Saiyan multiplier was assumed to be the same as it always is, this should have been a simple calculation for Piccolo... and yet, he still wanted to see them try fusion as Super Saiyans.
This is true, if anything the multiplier for Super Saiyan fusion would be tremendously above Base fusion. So with this exponential theory, we have a bit of an issue here.
 

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I suppose a counter to my point would be - if fusion has a different SSJ multiplier, how would Goku have known that and been able to accurately estimate how strong Gotenks would be?
 

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I suppose a counter to my point would be - if fusion has a different SSJ multiplier, how would Goku have known that and been able to accurately estimate how strong Gotenks would be?
I don't know. You'd think it would be a set boost, but things keep changing every time. Goku just knows that it wildly improves you I guess.
 

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I have Gotenks being irrelevant prior to reaching SSJ3, so it's the same for me.
 

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What if fusion simply has its own Super Saiyan multiplier? Casting the narrative aside, why would Piccolo need to see SSJ Gotenks if he had already seen the extent of Base Gotenks' power? If the Super Saiyan multiplier was assumed to be the same as it always is, this should have been a simple calculation for Piccolo... and yet, he still wanted to see them try fusion as Super Saiyans.

He just wanted to make sure everything was alright. Why did Future Trunks ask to fight Goku if they’re both getting the same boost?
 

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He just wanted to make sure everything was alright. Why did Future Trunks ask to fight Goku if they’re both getting the same boost?
Trunks wanted to test Goku's character, not just his battle power.
 

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Goku says Gotenks > Fat Buu, Piccolo confirms it
Goku is just making a speculation about something, he also calls that as a gamble, doesn't seem so sure of what he is saying. Piccolo never says "you are strong enough to get the job done" and was actually being cautious preventing them to not being cocky before fusing, if you're referring to "your ki is absolutely incredible" statement it doesn't compare his power with anyone else. Buuhan considered base Vegeta's ki as a great power, what does that tell me?
 

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Goku is just making a speculation about something,
His speculations are accurate. He left the fate of the entire universe in the kids hand's because of how confident he was in their power. There is no backtracking on that.

he also calls that as a gamble, doesn't seem so sure of what he is saying.
The gamble is that Buu might kill everyone on Earth before the boys are ready. Gotenks' power is never the gamble.

Piccolo never says "you are strong enough to get the job done"
Literally says Gotenks' power is impressive after being hyped up by Goku that Gotenks would be stronger than Goku. He literally calls Gotenks' power incredible...

"your ki is absolutely incredible" statement it doesn't compare his power with anyone else.
Piccolo is told Gotenks will be stronger than Goku. Then says his ki is incredible. How much more do you need?

Buuhan considered base Vegeta's ki as a great power, what does that tell me?
Completely different example.
 

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His speculations are accurate. He left the fate of the entire universe in the kids hand's because of how confident he was in their power. There is no backtracking on that.
Do you know what speculation is? He wanted them to resolve things one way or another.

The gamble is that Buu might kill everyone on Earth before the boys are ready. Gotenks' power is never the gamble.
Conjecture.
Literally says Gotenks' power is impressive after being hyped up by Goku that Gotenks would be stronger than Goku. He literally calls Gotenks' power incredible...
So what? Gotenks' power is impressive, I'm fine with that. What else does that tell me and with whom is he being compared to is the question without answer here.

Piccolo is told Gotenks will be stronger than Goku. Then says his ki is incredible. How much more do you need?
A concrete statement, something like "you really are stronger than Goku", "you were as good as Goku promised us", "you are strong enough to get the job done, but I want to see your movement" would've been fair enough. Incredible can be interpreted one way or another and Piccolo doesn't compare his power with anyone, I don't see how his power can't be incredible if it's stronger than base Vegeta for example.
Completely different example.
Based on?
 

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I used a 40x boost once, to make this Base Gotenks ~= SSJ2s thing work.
 

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So what? Gotenks' power is impressive, I'm fine with that. What else does that tell me and with whom is he being compared to is the question without answer here.
So you are saying Gotenks' power is impressive enough to get slaughtered by Majin Buu?
 

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I used a 40x boost once, to make this Base Gotenks ~= SSJ2s thing work.
Yeah, it seems necessary. There's really no other way around it. Unless we are to believe Super Saiyan Gotenks is tens of times above Goku of course.
 

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A power being great has nothing to do with a power that's impressive compared to Goku and Majin Buu.
It has to do because even at this point in history is considered great. You are inserting your own opinion when it comes to say that is impressive compared to Goku or Majin Buu, when none of that is plausible in the story.
 
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