Super-Saiyan Future Trunks (Age 14) vs Super-Saiyan Bardock (Episode of Bardock)

[Fantastische Hure]

For those who believe.

Who wins?

 

[SSJ2]

Depends on how you look at SSJ Trunks versus Base Gohands.

 

[Papasmurf]

I personally think Toriyama would have no reason to show base Gohan fiting on par with SSJ kid future Trunks without an explanation claiming Trunks is stronger than he looked, if he really wanted to convey that. So Bardock rapes if he got a high enough zenkai (6-7x) imo.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It's weird that he even showed that. Doesn't make much sense to me other than maybe show that Gohan is much more powerful than Trunks, but then he's a Super-Saiyan...

What makes it even weirder it's the only instance where we directly see something like that.

I think he might have forgot to draw Gohan as Super-Saiyan.

I do like the idea though that you don't have to necessarily be in the millions to turn Super-Saiyan.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think Toriyama was thinking in numbers, but just trying to show that Gohan was much stronger than the n00bish Trunks. Like any example of some noob child being schooled by his much stronger master. But I still think he wouldn't have put that scene in if he didn't have SSJ Trunks = base Gohan in his head at that moment, since he's been very clear about linear power chains before.

And yeah, I find the idea of there not being a real power requirement for SSJ to be the most sensible, since it's plainly triggered by rage and there's no real way to think Gohan in the Rosat was anywhere near as low as noob Trunks just because they'd both recently attained SSJ. Vegeta also was probably stronger than 2 arms Future Gohan (base) by the Mecha Freeza fight but didn't transform either. It seems emotion-based more than power-based.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I just didn't like the idea of a regular Saiyan being able to fend-off a Super-Saiyan. In my opinion no matter how low their regular-states maybe, a Super-Saiyan could (or rather should) always be superior to a regular Saiyan.

But that's not there sadly.

 

[Future Warrior]

Super Saiyan is build into every saiyan genetically, it depends on whether you have the potential to trigger the transformation though.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Super Saiyan is build into every saiyan genetically, it depends on whether you have the potential to trigger the transformation though.

I'd like to think any Saiyan can become Super-Saiyan as long as they have that anger.

Even the Daizenshuu says something like "...in truth any Saiyan can become a Super-Saiyan you just have to meet the conditions" or something like that. Paraphrasing.

 

[Papasmurf]

It might be an issue of stamina and ki control + rage or something, based off the fact that Gohan had a hard time staying SSJ after attaining it even though his base should've been pretty high from the 3 years pre-Androids. Whereas Goku after training to master Kaioken and having over a decade of training under his belt was able to use SSJ off the bat. That could explain why Goku never taught Gohan until they had to use the Rosat, since he deemed him not experienced enough.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It might be an issue of stamina and ki control + rage or something, based off the fact that Gohan had a hard time staying SSJ after attaining it even though his base should've been pretty high from the 3 years pre-Androids. Whereas Goku after training to master Kaioken and having over a decade of training under his belt was able to use SSJ off the bat. That could explain why Goku never taught Gohan until they had to use the Rosat, since he deemed him not experienced enough.

Then couldn't we say the same for Future Trunks here?

 

[Papasmurf]

True, but he could use it for a sparring match, whereas that Gohan got tired in like 5 seconds, so I think it's like Goku using Kaioken x 2 in the Saiyan arc. Tiring, but not debilitating to his body like x3 or x4.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

If Raditz turned Super-Saiyan and fought Captain-Ginyu, according to the "official" material he'd get annihilated. The same thing the entire saga is building-up to and what Freeza is supposedly afraid of. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Papasmurf]

Raditz doesn't need to turn Super Saiyan. He's already Ultimate Super Saiyan 3, hence the haircut.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Raditz doesn't need to turn Super Saiyan. He's already Ultimate Super Saiyan 3, hence the haircut.

He's in a fused-form state of Super-Saiyan 3 & 4. That explains why his hair is still black.

 

[Papasmurf]

He turned into a Super Saiyan 3 Oozaru rather than a plain ol' Golden Oozaru. Consequently he learned to use SSJ4-SSJ3 as his base form, but only uses that powa when he feels like it.

 

[Future Warrior]

Super Saiyan is build into every saiyan genetically, it depends on whether you have the potential to trigger the transformation though.

I'd like to think any Saiyan can become Super-Saiyan as long as they have that anger.

Even the Daizenshuu says something like "...in truth any Saiyan can become a Super-Saiyan you just have to meet the conditions" or something like that. Paraphrasing.

If that were the case then you'd think there would plenty of Super Saiyan's by now.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Super Saiyan is build into every saiyan genetically, it depends on whether you have the potential to trigger the transformation though.

I'd like to think any Saiyan can become Super-Saiyan as long as they have that anger.

Even the Daizenshuu says something like "...in truth any Saiyan can become a Super-Saiyan you just have to meet the conditions" or something like that. Paraphrasing.

If that were the case then you'd think there would plenty of Super Saiyan's by now.

That's the thing though. It says you still need to match the requirements of anger or whatever, and Saiyans rarely ever cared for anyone or most likely lost to anyone considering how powerful they were.