Super-Saiyan Goku-Black (post-Zenkai) vs Hit

[Fantastische Hure]

Both from the manga.

Who wins?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I would say Black but Hit hasn't show his fully capable of.

 

[GSM123]

Black stomps. He was beating SSjin Blue Vegeta.

 

[xenos5]

Both Manga Black and Manga Hit are massively nerfed (and much more boring) in comparison to their anime versions. If Manga Hit has the same killing techniques Anime Hit has though, he wins.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Both Manga Black and Manga Hit are massively nerfed (and much more boring) in comparison to their anime versions. If Manga Hit has the same killing techniques Anime Hit has though, he wins.

So they are boring because they are lower? This is exactly the crowd the anime caters to.

 

[Papasmurf]

Burakku stomps unless Hit can make use of the hax abilities he had in the filler/survival tournament

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Burakku stomps unless Hit can make use of the hax abilities he had in the filler/survival tournament

Hit also had those abilities in the manga, IIRC.

 

[Papasmurf]

His abilities beyond the time skip were never shown in the manga. They do mention his assassination moves though.

 

[xenos5]

Both Manga Black and Manga Hit are massively nerfed (and much more boring) in comparison to their anime versions. If Manga Hit has the same killing techniques Anime Hit has though, he wins.

So they are boring because they are lower? This is exactly the crowd the anime caters to.

No. They are boring because they are not given well developed personalities and character development in the manga.

Hit's honor is showcased in the anime where he lets Goku get back up as thanks for helping him improve. We don't see that in the manga. He also doesn't talk to Goku after the fight about how they're pawns of the gods showing his disdain for them like in the anime. The manga skips the mini arc where we see Hit doing his job and his honorable method of killing opponents face to face. The mini arc also establishes the difference between Hit the assassin and Hit the martial artist with us seeing him enjoying his fight with Goku and Vados explaining it.

All of that gives more depth and emotional attachment to the character. In the manga he is bland in comparison.

Black in the manga also has none of the saiyan influence on his body that made him interesting in the anime. He whines and has temper tantrums in the manga rather than keeping his cool and actually enjoying his opponents getting stronger.

They are practically different characters with the amount of differences between both versions of these two characters.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Both Manga Black and Manga Hit are massively nerfed (and much more boring) in comparison to their anime versions. If Manga Hit has the same killing techniques Anime Hit has though, he wins.

So they are boring because they are lower? This is exactly the crowd the anime caters to.

No. They are boring because they are not given well developed personalities and character development in the manga.

Hit's honor is showcased in the anime where he lets Goku get back up as thanks for helping him improve. We don't see that in the manga. He also doesn't talk to Goku after the fight about how they're pawns of the gods showing his disdain for them like in the anime. The manga skips the mini arc where we see Hit doing his job and his honorable method of killing opponents face to face. The mini arc also establishes the difference between Hit the assassin and Hit the martial artist with us seeing him enjoying his fight with Goku and Vados explaining it.

All of that gives more depth and emotional attachment to the character. In the manga he is bland in comparison.

Black in the manga also has none of the saiyan influence on his body that made him interesting in the anime. He whines and has temper tantrums in the manga rather than keeping his cool and actually enjoying his opponents getting stronger.

They are practically different characters with the amount of differences between both versions of these two characters.

Goku-Black was written way kewler in the manga. The anime has Masako Nozawa's stand-out performance going for that, which really made Goku-Black creepy but anime just censors too much, too. You never saw Goku-Black beating-up on Trunks the way he did in the beginning of the saga in the manga. Really wanting us to see him get his eventually.

The rest is your opinion. How does him keeping his cool and enjoying his opponents getting stronger make him a better character? And it's not like that wasn't in the anime, once he abused the Zenkais.

 

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Goku-Black was written way kewler in the manga. The anime has Masako Nozawa's stand-out performance going for that, which really made Goku-Black creepy but anime just censors too much, too. You never saw Goku-Black beating-up on Trunks the way he did in the beginning of the saga in the manga. Really wanting us to see him get his eventually.

The rest is your opinion. How does him keeping his cool and enjoying his opponents getting stronger make him a better character? And it's not like that wasn't in the anime, once he abused the Zenkais.

For most people (myself included) Black was such a savage badass in the anime that he carried the entire arc. He's a better character because he's a more memorable villain and has goals other than just multiversal genocide (him wanting to get more and more powerful due to his body influencing his saiyan body personality).

His moves with his energy blade in the anime were also far more interesting than his moveset in the manga that I can hardly remember.

 

[Flame]

Super Saiyan Black>Super Saiyan 3 Goku, as stated by Trunks.

Goku said Super Saiyan Vegeta would probably be enough to defeat Hit.

Black stomps.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku said Super Saiyan Vegeta would probably be enough to defeat Hit.

Where was that said?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku-Black was written way kewler in the manga. The anime has Masako Nozawa's stand-out performance going for that, which really made Goku-Black creepy but anime just censors too much, too. You never saw Goku-Black beating-up on Trunks the way he did in the beginning of the saga in the manga. Really wanting us to see him get his eventually.

The rest is your opinion. How does him keeping his cool and enjoying his opponents getting stronger make him a better character? And it's not like that wasn't in the anime, once he abused the Zenkais.

For most people (myself included) Black was such a savage badass in the anime that he carried the entire arc. He's a better character because he's a more memorable villain and has goals other than just multiversal genocide (him wanting to get more and more powerful due to his body influencing his saiyan body personality).

His moves with his energy blade in the anime were also far more interesting than his moveset in the manga that I can hardly remember.

The energy-blade is about the only thing I remember besides the stupid clones.

I don't see it honestly. I doubt Goku's body can somehow influence his personality, l0l. It's just a vessel as was stated multiple times.

 

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The energy-blade is about the only thing I remember besides the stupid clones.

I don't see it honestly. I doubt Goku's body can somehow influence his personality, l0l. It's just a vessel as was stated multiple times.

It's Zamasu's soul but a saiyan BRAIN. I can't really see how that would have no effect on his mind.

 

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The energy-blade is about the only thing I remember besides the stupid clones.

I don't see it honestly. I doubt Goku's body can somehow influence his personality, l0l. It's just a vessel as was stated multiple times.

It's Zamasu's soul but a saiyan BRAIN. I can't really see how that would have no effect on his mind.

Goku's brain is still technically in his body, yeah. But it's obviously either completely manipulated or not used at all by Zamas. Their brains might have been exchanged too. You never know.

 

[Pyro]

I don't give a damn about this manga-anime comparison!

SSJ Goku Black would stomp Hit effortlessly, killing or not. SSJ Black >> SSJB Vegeta (FT arc) > SSJB Vegeta (U6 arc) >>> Hit ~ SSJG Goku ain't no doubt about it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't give a damn about this manga-anime comparison!

SSJ Goku Black would stomp Hit effortlessly, killing or not. SSJ Black >> SSJB Vegeta (FT arc) > SSJB Vegeta (U6 arc) >>> Hit ~ SSJG Goku ain't no doubt about it.

I don't think Super-Saiyan was that ahead of Vegeta. He was pushing him back as was stated, but they seemed to be on similar ground with Goku-Black having a clear advantage. Then with Rose, he wins easily.

 

[Void]

I don't give a damn about this manga-anime comparison!

SSJ Black >> SSJB Vegeta (FT arc)

I'm not sure they were that far apart, considering Vegeta still did enough damage to him to warrant another healing from Zamas which pushed him into Rose.

I'm not sure how Black is going to counter Hit, but he is definitely a lot stronger than him.

 

[Flame]

Goku said Super Saiyan Vegeta would probably be enough to defeat Hit.

Where was that said?

Oops, mixed that up a bit. Goku was referring to Vegeta's fight against Cabba, not Hit, my bad.