Super Saiyan Goku ( Early ROSAT ) vs Kamiccolo

[p123]

This is the version of Goku as he discovers the grade forms. How much has Goku powered up? Let's check out some of the quotes.


Goku- Let's start training right away, we aren't here to fool around. First we are going to turn you into a Super Saiyan. You'll have to be one before the real training starts.

Gohan- Dad, am I delaying your training ?
Goku - For a while, yea. But once you become a Super Saiyan you will be a great sparring partner.

Goku- I'm going to reach the state beyond the Super Saiyan, I'm going to be more powerful than anyone.


1) The first training sequence we see is Goku training Gohan on how to become a Super Saiyan.

2) Next, Gohan's hair is much, much longer and once again we see Goku coaching Gohan on how to become a Super Saiyan.


Goku has to give Gohan a haircut because of how long his hair has grown.

3) Next we see a title page where Goku and Gohan are eating, Gohan's had his haircut and Gohan is a bit beat up, implying they have indeed been training.

4) Next we see Gohan training as a Super Saiyan and Goku talking about how much he's progressed.


Gohan is wondering why Goku is sitting there so long, he wonders if Goku could really surpass the state of Super Saiyan.



All in all, I tend to think that Super Saiyan Goku ( at time of achieving Grade forms ) is not entirely different from Super Saiyan Goku ( Androids Saga ).

 

[Future Warrior]

We know that his Grade forms are supposed to surpass Semi-Cell, and for me, his Regular SSJ Form would have to make a huge increase if that's the case. Though, Goku did state that his Grade 3 form would still not defeat Semi-Cell due to the speed loss, so I have to put Goku considerably weaker than Vegeta and Trunks (1rst Rosat). Whether Goku was speaking of a Hypothetical Perfect Cell or not, is up to you.

In my honest opinion, his Regular SSJ form is slightly stronger than Imperfect Cell (Post-Humans) and 16. With that, Goku probably 1-shots Piccolo.

 

[p123]

In a couple of months Goku goes from being below 18 to around Imperfect Cell? Absurd.

 

[Six Trails]

I have Goku stomping. He would lose to 1st form Cell or #16, though.

 

[Future Warrior]

It may be absurd, but Dragon Ball increases dont have to make sense and dont correspond with the real world. Goku being below 18 to competing with the likes of Perfect Cell in just 1 year is just as absurd.

 

[SSJ2]

Goku's Zenkais on Namek are way more absurd.

 

[Future Warrior]

Goten and Trunks being somewhat in the same ballpark as the Adults with barely any experience or training is also absurd.

 

[p123]

Those all have reasonable explanations. Goku gaining massive power in two months in the ROSAT while his training is being delayed not only by having to wait for Gohan to catch up, but also by trying to figure out how to surpass Super Saiyan.

I think you guys are all ridiculous here.

So 3 years of Android training means bullshit gains and if they would have did a mere two months in the ROSAT would have completely eliminated the Android threat? Hogwash.

 

[Six Trails]

Why wouldn't training in the RoSaT (10x gravity and harsh conditions) have a greater effect than simple Earth training?

Piccolo and Gohan were also slowing Goku down for the three years.

 

[Future Warrior]

Those all have reasonable explanations. Goku gaining massive power in two months in the ROSAT while his training is being delayed not only by having to wait for Gohan to catch up, but also by trying to figure out how to surpass Super Saiyan.

I think you guys are all ridiculous here.

So 3 years of Android training means bullshit gains and if they would have did a mere two months in the ROSAT would have completely eliminated the Android threat? Hogwash.

Wait.. Is this the Goku that just learned how to use Grade Forms?

 

[p123]

Vegeta has trained in 300x gravity prior to achieving Super Saiyan. I'm sure 10x gravity and harsh conditions is pretty good, but even Vegeta in 300x gravity isn't going to multiply his strength in a couple of months.

The entire premise of "surpassing the Super Saiyan state" makes literally no sense if they can drastically increase their power.

So is Gohan around Imperfect Cell too while he just attained the form? You guys aren't making any sense.

And yes AA, this is right at the time he learns how to do the grade forms.

 

[Future Warrior]

The Rosat in the first place was just a plot-devise in order for the Z-Fighters to be able progress in the story and compete with Cell. I doubt it has any baring on the consistency of gains from training.

 

[p123]

There's no plot purpose for Goku's Base and Super Saiyan states to be that strong at this point of the story. All we know is that Grade 3 surpasses Cell easily.

 

[Zippy]

That has to be a few months. Goku wins imo.

 

[Pyro]

Goku was bogged down by Piccolo and Gohan for three years and still increased his strength to the point where he could have his power noticeably affected by the heart virus and still beat on a guy that could likely take down Trunks from three years prior. Usually that's not more than a 2x gain in my case, but that's still rather solid with two people to babysit while you're the strongest in the universe (at the time).

I don't think it's unreasonable for Goku to gain power surpassing #18 in a few months, even if it isn't required by the plot.

 

[p123]

I just have a hard time imagining that a mere 2 months could have made the difference between beating the Androids and losing to them.

 

[SIAD]

As Gohan treats Goku USSJ, I would say at least:

  Goku USSJ (Strength) >> Cell Semi Perfect (Initial).

  I have a tremendous gap between Android # 16 on Kamiccolo, therefore I would say that Goku SSJ wins.