Super-Saiyan Grade-II Vegeta (Android Saga) vs Android #18

[Six Trails]

But then it's a baseless assumption, since there isn't really anything supporting that.

There is, but you clearly interpret certain statements differently and that's why you feel he didn't power up. My whole point was just that Android saga Trunks = Debut Trunks isn't a stated fact and just your opinion; there's no reason to say it like it is a fact. Either way, it's not relevant to the thread.

 

[MysticGoku]

Androids > freeza
Piccolo was confident in beating the androids
Piccolo stomped android20 (post)

Piccolo > a20 post > a20 pre > trunks (mecha saga) > mecha freeza

It is also impied that goku yardrat was not strong enough for the androids.
In the android saga they pair trunks with goku and vegeta so he did get stronger.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

But there are zero statements even implying he powered up.

Piccolo was confident with SSJ Goku on his side, once Goku is defeated, he resorts to cowardly tacticts and stays to watch Vegeta fight the androids NOT on the grounds, that he has powered up, but because the timeline has been changed.

 

[MysticGoku]

Its pretty clear that:

Android 19 and 20 > mecha saga Ssj's >> piccolo

Piccolo >> 20 pre so do you think he is stronger than trunks?

 

[ahill1]

I think it's best just ignore this GokhanDBZfan, he's doing it on purpose. Papasmurf and many others already showed him the evidences and all he has to say is: "it doesn't matter". I smell a troll here.

Anyway, I'd give it to Vegeta. I feel the SSJG2 multiplier is like 2x or something like this, and I don't see a need to have #18 more than 1.33x stronger than Vegeta.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Its pretty clear that:

Android 19 and 20 > mecha saga Ssj's >> piccolo

Piccolo >> 20 pre so do you think he is stronger than trunks?

It's never ever stated, that 19 and 20 are stronger than SSJs or even Freeza.
Heck, the opposite is implied when Freeza and Trunks are used as a benchmark for 17 and 18's strength.

I think it's best just ignore this GokhanDBZfan, he's doing it on purpose. Papasmurf and many others already showed him the evidences and all he has to say is: "it doesn't matter". I smell a troll here.

I am offended by this comment.
The point of a discussion is to share and debate differening opinions, not to confirm each other's opinion.
Yet you implied I was trolling, just because I have dissenting interprentation of the manga.

 

[ahill1]

But all you really say is: "it doesn't matter", "Trunks didn't power up, there's no proof of this", stating it as a fact and without even acknowleding the others arguments. This is hella annoying.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Well, if something isn't stated or even implied, then there is no evidence for that argument.
Regarding the ''Trunks didn't power up'' argument, there are zero statements mentioning him getting stronger and only a single statement regarding his performance against the androids taken out of context.

 

[MysticGoku]

Its pretty clear that:

Android 19 and 20 > mecha saga Ssj's >> piccolo

Piccolo >> 20 pre so do you think he is stronger than trunks?

It's never ever stated, that 19 and 20 are stronger than SSJs or even Freeza.
Heck, the opposite is implied when Freeza and Trunks are used as a benchmark for 17 and 18's strength.

I think it's best just ignore this GokhanDBZfan, he's doing it on purpose. Papasmurf and many others already showed him the evidences and all he has to say is: "it doesn't matter". I smell a troll here.

I am offended by this comment.
The point of a discussion is to share and debate differening opinions, not to confirm each other's opinion.
Yet you implied I was trolling, just because I have dissenting interprentation of the manga.

They were told by trunks that the androids are stronger than the Z fighters are now, so they needed to train.
Not 1 single time they questioned the power of the androids because trunks's prediction was true.
They are indeed very strong and they only thinked that "they" overtrained.
Androids > all of mecha freeza saga characters.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

The idea of the Androids being shit or the Z-team possibly growing too strong are both highlighted.

 

[ahill1]

There are 3 really strong implications pointing out towards Trunks getting significantly stronger.

 

[Six Trails]

I think it's best just ignore this GokhanDBZfan, he's doing it on purpose. [...] I smell a troll here.

Let's try not to make comments like these. I don't agree with GokhanDBZfan either, but he hasn't done anything in this thread to be warrant being called a troll.

 

[ahill1]

I'm sorry. I was just a bit irritated with his ways of saying "Trunks didn't power up, there's zero evidence of this" even though other members already showed him the evidences and there are evidences.

But you're right, sorry.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

 

[MysticGoku]

Well i can agree with the vegeta part.
But piccolo also thought they've grown too strong.
Krillin also says that piccolo is outrageously strong.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

To be fair, the emphasis would naturally be on Piccolo and Vegeta. On that very same page, you have Tien talking about how he dislikes seeing both Piccolo and Vegeta so powerful. You also have Vegeta telling Piccolo to either finish #20 or let him do it. Those were the only two who could fight #20 because the others weren't strong enough to fight him.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Well i can agree with the vegeta part.
But piccolo also thought they've grown too strong.
Krillin also says that piccolo is outrageously strong.

Piccolo is reffering to Trunks' warning not becoming reality, hence the ''we(Piccolo, Vegeta,Krillin, Tenshinhan, etc.)

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Well, that's because the Androids took all of them out in that time. What can be said for certain is neither Krillin nor Tien were actually apart of the solution in the present. Only Piccolo and Vegeta were. I don't think "we" is supposed to be taken literally here. They're a team, so the focus would be based on them as a whole rather than individuals.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

[mention]Evil Vegeta[/mention]
I made a new topic for this:http://dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5461

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Thanks. I'll post there.