Suppressed Piccolo ~ Humans

[Six Trails]

I just reread the whole scene, and I'm curious where this idea comes from?

Spoiler

Gero sees Gohan, Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo and says absorbing all of their power would allow him to beat Vegeta. The only thing I'm getting from that is Gero (Gohan, Krillin, Ten, Piccolo's Ki) > Vegeta.

Gero never states that only Gohan, Krillin, and Tenshinhan's Ki would be enough for him to surpass Vegeta. Is this different in the anime or am I missing something here?

 

[Victorious]

Because after he absorbs suppressed Piccolo he thinks if he absorbs suppressed Piccolo again he'll beat SSJ Vegeta.

But anyway I think its all bullshit. How are 2 humans and base Gohan going to get him from getting trashed by Piccolo to defeating Super Saiyan Vegeta?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

According to P it's because Gero would have worded it differently if the humans together were > Piccolo. It's a pretty shaky argument though.

 

[Southern Gothic]

He says "Vegeta is mine" which could possibly interpreted differently than meaning outright defeat by way of superiority.

We know that these android models are no match for the full power Super Saiyans, even with the prospect of absorption. They would be so easily trashed that there wouldn't even be much of a chance to steal any energy, assuming the SSJ's were going all out.

So Gero's words could be implying that the collective energy of the humans and Piccolo are enough to let him stand on more even ground against Vegeta, which would then allow him to use the absorption technique to more effective means.

 

[Six Trails]

Because after he absorbs suppressed Piccolo he thinks if he absorbs suppressed Piccolo again he'll beat SSJ Vegeta.

He doesn't say that. At least not in VIZ. Gohan attacks Gero and then in the next page everyone shows up.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Herms he flat out says absorbing Piccolo again will help him to defeat Vegeta, right after Piccolo knees him.

 

[Six Trails]

I see the panel now. I had a feeling I was missing something.

 

[ahill1]

Because after he absorbs suppressed Piccolo he thinks if he absorbs suppressed Piccolo again he'll beat SSJ Vegeta.

He doesn't say that. At least not in VIZ. Gohan attacks Gero and then in the next page everyone shows up.

He says that right after Piccolo takes off his weights and is ready to fight him. In VIZ he doesn't finish the sentence, but he says something like (when Piccolo is about to face him): "Perfect, if I steal Piccolo's energy once again, then I'll be able to beat Vegeta" or something along those lines.

So, some people take that to mean that suppressed Piccolo is ~ Gohan + Kuririn + Tenshinhan, since absorbing suppressed Piccolo twice or absorbing suppressed Piccolo once plus the earthlings would both let him in a position to beat Vegeta.

 

[Six Trails]

The only way I can possibly see any of his statements working out then, is if their energy absorption isn't linear. That doesn't seem too farfetched to me...

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don't really think only because both make him beat Vegeta means both are equal. 2 + 2 > 3, but 2 + 3 is also > 3. Does that mean 2 + 2 = 2 + 3?

@Mikey By that logic 19 post would be strong as fuck though.

 

[ahill1]

Maybe his absorptions aren't linear and dictated by the plot... that is, in #19's case it was less effective than an addition whereas in #20's case it'd be more effective than an addition... shrugs.

 

[Victorious]

Base Vegeta > Piccolo suppressed

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It comes down to what you believe Gero is actually seeing when he's scanning everyone. Since everyone is suppressed, naturally he'd only be seeing the energy they're currently emitting--which seems considerably below their full-power. If that's the case, then imagine what he'd think if he absorbed the full-power of everyone.

While it's just a game, Supersonic Warriors has Gero believing he could handle Freeza after stealing Ginyu's energy. Pretty hilarious.

 

[Victorious]

While it's just a game, Supersonic Warriors has Gero believing he could handle Freeza after stealing Ginyu's energy. Pretty hilarious.

Sounds like something Gero would say TBH. He's very optimistic.

 

[p123]

Gero's power sensor seems to work just fine for powers much lower than himself. He seems to indicate that Vegeta joining would make the fight more interesting.

Base Vegeta > Piccolo Suppressed

Gero says that if he absorbs the remaining people, minus Vegeta of course, he can tangle with Vegeta.

Gero + Gohan, Tien, Krillen, Piccolo Suppressed = Beating Vegeta

After he absorbs Piccolo, when presented with the possibility of absorbing Piccolo, he offers the same statement, that he could tangle with Vegeta should he add this last piece.

Thus, Gohan + Tien + Krillen ~ Piccolo Suppressed

Here's how I have it...

Piccolo Suppressed 25,000,0000
Gohan 10,000,000
Krillen 8,000,000
Tien 7,000,000

It is not 100% concrete, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than pulling shit out of your ass. It gives us structure in a diifcult area.

 

[SSJ2]

Do you have a lower SSJ multiplier P? Haven't gotten to check your levels out in depth yet.

 

[p123]

Nope, kept the 50x boost. Gero's calculations above himself are garbage, it is what it is. It's more than the boost being wrong, with all of his absorptions he can't even catch Piccolo, let alone Vegeta.

My list is looking fantastic bro. It's perfect, best list I've ever done man. Everything is detailed and accounted for and made to be aesthetically pleasing. I might make minor tweaks here and there but it's pretty much done man. I'm going to make those numbers the most popular YouTube power levels very shortly. I just gotta figure out how to make the videos now. Damn. Well that will be my next project.

 

[SSJ2]

I will check them out soon.

 

[Six Trails]

Piccolo Suppressed 25,000,0000
Gohan 10,000,000
Krillin 8,000,000
Tien 7,000,000

I would raise Gohan and lower the humans. Goku said Gohan would be a good sparring partner once he becomes a Super Saiyan, which implies Gohan isn't too far off from Goku. I think it also makes more sense for Gohan to get better gains and have a bigger gap over the humans after the 3 years of training.

Do you agree with suppressed Piccolo to FP Piccolo being the same boost as Base to SS? I think that's a good way to view it.

 

[p123]

I will concede on that. Good point.

Yes that was my first thought as soon as I took the implication of Base Vegeta being stronger than Piccolo I started treating suppress Piccolo as in base Piccolo and Piccolo's full power as in Super Saiyan. I stuck with it ever since and it works out great.


Piccolo Weighted + Imperfect Cell Initial = Initial Evolution almost complete is another game changing chain to keep on