Tao Pai Pai prime

[Fantastische Hure]

"Even Younger" can also mean he is higher than Goku.

How? I don't see it.

The context. Whilst Master-Mutaito has a stronger case in this case, the same principal applies for Master-Roshi since "even" was used for him too.

 

[ahill]

But the "even" was using in relation to Roshi. "Even younger" is comparing to him currently imo. I don't how it applies to Goku.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But the "even" was using in relation to Roshi. "Even younger" is comparing to him currently imo. I don't how it applies to Goku.

It can be seen as such, but being younger & higher is a given. Why does he feel the need to mention him being younger like that? He seems to have out quite an emphasis on it, even-though it doesn't matter anyway since it's not in the original.

 

[ahill]

Chapter: 135, P6.1
Kame-sennin: “Despite the cute name, [Piccolo] was an outrageously fearsome person…His strength was extremely overwhelming…[ ] He was an opponent we were utterly unable to oppose; not only my younger self or Tsuru-sennin, but even our master, Mutaito. ”

The fact that he bothered to say "my younger self" rather than just "myself" shows me that young Roshi > 22nd Roshi.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Chapter: 135, P6.1
Kame-sennin: “Despite the cute name, [Piccolo] was an outrageously fearsome person…His strength was extremely overwhelming…[ ] He was an opponent we were utterly unable to oppose; not only my younger self or Tsuru-sennin, but even our master, Mutaito. ”

The fact that he bothered to say "my younger self" rather than just "myself" shows me that young Roshi > 22nd Roshi.

well, ye i never denied that

that's obvs

 

[ahill]

Yeah, Mutaito > young Roshi > 22nd Roshi.

But I still don't see them guys being > 22nd Goku. Not saying they weren't, just saying I'm still not seeing it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, Mutaito > young Roshi > 22nd Roshi.

But I still don't see them guys being > 22nd Goku. Not saying they weren't, just saying I'm still not seeing it.

I'd say Master-Mutaito at the very least has a solid case for being higher.

 

[ahill]

That's a crucial point. Only figuring it out we can figure if Goku got or not a Zenkai.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

In my opinion (I think) he did.

 

[ahill]

What do you think of this?

Roshi (22nd Budokai) - 180
Tsuru (young) - 215
Roshi (young) - 215
Mutaito - 240
Goku (22nd Budokai) - 240
initial old Piccolo - 240
Goku (vs old Piccolo) - 255

 

[Papasmurf]

Although I take Toriyama's current bullshit with a grain of salt, he does say Taopaipai was always a step ahead of his brother or something. Could indeed be that Tao was above Tsuru-sennin in his prime and slacked after he became an assassin or something (and forgot how to fly )

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Although I take Toriyama's current bullshit with a grain of salt, he does say Taopaipai was always a step ahead of his brother or something. Could indeed be that Tao was above Tsuru-sennin in his prime and slacked after he became an assassin or something (and forgot how to fly )

w8 wot???

where did he say that???

i never heard that

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What do you think of this?

Roshi (22nd Budokai) - 180
Tsuru (young) - 215
Roshi (young) - 215
Mutaito - 240
Goku (22nd Budokai) - 240
initial old Piccolo - 240
Goku (vs old Piccolo) - 255

piccolo-daimao thought no1 could lay him out on his back, so he's probably at-least >> Master-Mutaito already

 

[Papasmurf]

There was some interview he made where he said the brothers had a rivalry iirc, but I can't be assed to google it. There's also the Daizenshuu entry saying Tao was > Tsuru, but that's Daiz

 

[Fantastische Hure]

There was some interview he made where he said the brothers had a rivalry iirc, but I can't be assed to google it. There's also the Daizenshuu entry saying Tao was > Tsuru, but that's Daiz

i never saw that

is it official, then???

i have never seen any1 bring it up

the daizenshuu talks abt the movie

 

[Papasmurf]

The Daiz writers don't know enough to tell the difference anyway

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The Daiz writers don't know enough to tell the difference anyway

u are right on that 1 1 1

 

[ahill]

What? Toriyama and Daizenshuu stated it?

@2kewl4u - That could be explained as him doesn't thinking "this" world would have formidable foes like Mutaito, even more when Tambourine downplayed the fighters of this era in the spaceship.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What? Toriyama and Daizenshuu stated it?

@2kewl4u - That could be explained as him doesn't thinking "this" world would have formidable foes like Mutaito, even more when Tambourine downplayed the fighters of this era in the spaceship.

he said that world. implying the world not a specific era in my opinion.

 

[ahill]

Taopaipai being > Tsuru is BS considering the manga IMO.