The effectiveness of the dance was the key to Gotenks's strength

[Tapion]

You are in no position to say who or who isn't a reliable Chi sensor. By the fact that Kuririn calls him haughty, means that he knows how powerful Gotenks was but he gave him the benefit of the doubt based on his own self confidence regarding his own abilities.

Because you are willing to completely disregard the opinions of in-universe characters, sheds light on how biased you truly are.

There really isn't anything left to discuss now. It's clear you are incapable of constructing an actual argument to counter my Gotenks SSj Post theory. Let's just stop where we are and get back on track. I think that we have derailed the topic enough.

"He is pretty haughty, but maybe he will be able to care of Buu"
Which means that he thinks that Gotenks stand some chance. Yamcha agrees with him.
Piccolo stated that Gotenks stood absolutely no chance, but both Yamcha and Krillin disagreed with him. Why give the benefit of doubt to someone who is clearly much weaker according to Piccolo? Piccolo's ki sensings are proved to be reliable throughout the entire Arc.

If Krillin sensed his ki wrong, then i can call him an not muchh reliable Ki sensor, at least on this part. I'm disregarding opinions based on what is stated and implied in the manga.

Just like i thought, you failed to counter what i said.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Lol how many Gotenks's thread are you gonna keep making?

 

[kriss-]

Haughty means that he is overly confident of his own abilities. This implies Kuririn knows what he is capable of and the only way this is possible is if he can accurately gauge his battle power and compare it to Majin Boo. It defeats the purpose of the statement if Kuririn is calling him haughty but the statement itself is a false pretense, Akira Toriyama has no reason to lie to us.

I'm not sure if you even know what you are talking about at this point, or even understand basic english. Although, that wouldn't be your problem since I don't think it's your native language.

 

[Tapion]

Haughty means that he is overly confident of his own abilities. This implies Kuririn knows what he is capable of and the only way this is possible is if he can accurately gauge his battle power and compare it to Majin Boo. It defeats the purpose of the statement if Kuririn is calling him haughty but the statement itself is a false pretense, Akira Toriyama has no reason to lie to us.

I'm not sure if you even know what you are talking about at this point, or even understand basic english. Although, that wouldn't be your problem since I don't think it's your native language.

Haughty means that Gotenks is arrogant. So you're saying that Krillin is giving him the benefit of doubt just because of Gotenks's own overconfidence, instead of sensing his ki?

I do understand basic english. But you definitively don't understand the fact that Krillin's "ki sensing" was wrong the entire arc, thus we don't need any comments from him or Yamcha.

We need comments from Goku or Piccolo. Goku's predictions and ki sensing were proven to be right the entire arc, same thing with Piccolo. Either Krillin didn't sense Fat Buu's ki, or he was wrong.

Piccolo never, never said that Buu's ki went down. Neither did Goku. If Buu's ki went down, THAT WOULD BE NOTICED by them.

 

[kriss-]

Once more, you are implying that Toriyama is using characters to lie to us. This is sheer stupidity.

Nothing said Boo's Chi increased until he did his temporary power-burst, but even that is not implied to be stationary from any other Chi sensors except Dende and Piccolo -the two people whom watched the events unfold on Earth.

 

[Tapion]

Once more, you are implying that Toriyama is using characters to lie to us. This is sheer stupidity.

Nothing said Boo's Chi increased until he did his temporary power-burst, but even that is not implied to be stationary from any other Chi sensors except Dende and Piccolo -the two people whom watched the events unfold on Earth.

I never said, nor implied that. If a character says something and is contradicted, then it's obvious that the character is wrong. It is just common sense..

Piccolo and Goku noticed a huge ki increase, but they didn't notice it powering down.

If we go by your logic, then Buu didn't power up at all since Krillin and Yamcha didn't notice his power going up for a few seconds with the power burst.

Kibito, Kaioshin, Gohan, Goku and Piccolo - All of them sensed Super Buu's power burst, but Krillin and Yamcha didn't sense a thing. Does that mean that Super Buu's ki never went up with his power burst? NO

That's why your argument is not logical, you're ignoring the fact that none of those 5 noticed Super Buu's ki going down to his Fat Buu level.
Krillin and Yamcha didn't even notice Super Buu powering up

 

[kriss-]

Actually you implied that several times by suggesting that we disregard any statements from anybody other then Goku or Piccolo. That's so silly. No noticeable Chi sensors including Yamcha, Kuririn, Goten and Trunks notice that Boo powered up. Therefore his superficial battle power on Korin's tower is the same as it was prior to his incarnation. In the larger context of the story, this simultaneously means that Gotenks SSj Post is somewhat around Innocent Boo's battle power.

Piccolo had to inform everybody else that more then just Majin Boo's appearance has changed, and that everything (including Chi) is greater then before. Nobody is besides Dende and Piccolo are able to pick up on this because Majin Boo's superficial battle power did not change, except only temporarily -but this was simply Super Boo testing his new abilities, this is even implied because Akira Toriyama drew a scan of Majin Boo examining himself.

Your perspective requires us to ignore half a dozen characters for the sake of personal bias, mine incorporates every statement within the story -and I think it's clear whose losing this debate.

 

[Tapion]

Sorry, but i had to counter this

Actually you implied that several times by suggesting that we disregard any statements from anybody other then Goku or Piccolo. That's so silly. No noticeable Chi sensors including Yamcha, Kuririn, Goten and Trunks notice that Boo powered up.

Twisting what i say won't help you. Krillin(and Yamcha) said that Gotenks might have a chance against Fat Buu, even though Base Gotenks's butt was utterly kicked. Either his ki sensors were wrong or he didn't sense Fat Buu, and both help my point. I didn't suggest anything like that. You keep ignoring the fact that nor Piccolo nor Goku sensed Buu's ki going down.

. Therefore his superficial battle power on Korin's tower is the same as it was prior to his incarnation.

Your baseless assumption. It is based on the fact that Krillin and Yamcha didn't sense Buu's ki. Piccolo and Goku didn't say anything about Buu's ki going down, yet you think that Krillin and Yamcha's words are more relevant than Piccolo and Goku's.

this simultaneously means that Gotenks SSj Post is somewhat around Innocent Boo's battle power.

And that makes SSj3 Gotenks at least 3x as strong as Goku(if you believe on that) since Fat Buu isn't stated to be much weaker than Kid Buu, only "somewhat weaker" in the Daizenshuu.

Piccolo had to inform everybody else that more then just Majin Boo's appearance has changed, and that everything (including Chi) is greater then before.

Which means that Super Buu(RoSaT) = Super Buu(power-burst), and that Piccolo can sense ki better than Krillin and Yamcha. Wonder why everyone but Krillin and Yamcha caught Buu's ki? And that NOBODY said that it powered down? If you're going solely by those 2 and is ignoring the fact that 5 important characters(Kibito, Kaioshin, Gohan, Goku and Piccolo) sensed Super Buu's ki go up(and never said that it did go down) then you're the biased one.

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but this was simply Super Boo testing his new abilities, this is even implied because Akira Toriyama drew a scan of Majin Boo examining himself.

He was testing his new power and abilities, but nothing says that he didn't kept this power up.

Your perspective requires us to ignore half a dozen characters for the sake of personal bias, mine incorporates every statement within the story -and I think it's clear whose losing this debate.

So two characters = half a dozen? Do you even know what is "half a dozen"? I'm going by the most relevant characters in the arc and you're going by two characters that failed to acknowledge the fact that Base Gotenks didn't stand a chance against Fat Buu.

 

[kriss-]

As per usual, I have tried to open your mind to a different perspective regarding the events that occurred during the Majin Boo Saga, but as usual, you fail to have an open mind. Even if you fail to tell me why my theory doesn't work, you still retain your original ideologies, as opposed to simply realizing that maybe there are other alternatives. Regardless, we have reached the end of this little argument and I think it's best if we just go our separate ways. My OP is starting to lose merit because everything since has completely deviated from it and I would rather get back on topic.

 

[Tapion]

You're backtracking. You was literally trying to prove me that your perspective was the right one.

There are many perspectives, i go with the one that is supported by an ocean of statements from the manga and guidebooks.

 

[kriss-]

We are continually running in circles. There isn't a point in arguing with you anymore. You are extremely close minded and you tend to make arguments that are borderline biased. Objectively correct? Absolutely not. Are you subjectively determined at being correct regardless of what the source material tells us? Absolutely. I have no interest in arguing with someone like that. Not to mention you always ruin my threads.

 

[Tapion]

Whatever you say tosh.

"Don't agree with my point of view = close minded"

^^ you.

I've already proved you wrong, and you failed to counter. Instead, you chose the most known and used fallacy in the word: AD HOMINEM! Which is the proof that you're getting desperate and has ABSOLUTELY no counter to what i say.

 

[kriss-]

Absolutely not. I offered a new perspective regarding several different scenarios in the Majin Boo Saga, but you are so close minded that you will go as far as to disregard every character except the ones relevant to your own subjective viewpoint. That is borderline biased.

What is your intention when it comes to Dragonball debating? Are you here to contribute new ideas or are you here to shit down everyones throat and force everyone to agree with your beliefs?

 

[Tapion]

Absolutely not. I offered a new perspective regarding several different scenarios in the Majin Boo Saga, but you are so close minded that you will go as far as to disregard every character except the ones relevant to your own subjective viewpoint. That is borderline biased.

What is your intention when it comes to Dragonball debating? Are you here to contribute new ideas or are you here to shit down everyones throat and force everyone to agree with your beliefs?

I ask you the same thing.

I came here to debate with cool people, like evil vegeta or ahill, not someone like you, who calls anyone that doesn't agree with you "close minded" and resort to fallacies like ad hominem to "win" the debate.

 

[kriss-]

Please just stop.

Get back on topic.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Humans are irrelevant if we use their sensing skills post CG.

 

[kriss-]

I really see no reason we should regard any character as being an ineffective source of telling the story.

 

[Tapion]

Relevant characters >>>

 

[kriss-]

All characters are relevant.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

What about the fact that none of the humans sensed Super Boo's power up?