The good aspects of Super

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
So, it's hard to deny Super is guilty of introducing giant plot holes into the franchise, regressing the development of several characters and often having little consequence in changing the world around the characters in the same way each arc of the original manga did. Still, regardless of what you think about Super as a whole, what aspects do you consider were handled well, even if only temporarily?

A few I'd mention:

- God Ki. The method of achieving SSG was cheap, though the concept of God Ki works naturally in explaining elements of the Boo Arc such as nobody reading Shin's Ki or how Babidi couldn't use Shin and Kibito to revive Boo.
- Freeza's change in character in FnF. Though his character would be ruined by the end of the film/arc with him not learning from his past mistake by using a stamina draining form, his initial goal of deciding to train rather than rely on the power naturally given to him does show himself as having grown somewhat from his defeat at the hands of the Super Saiyans, of whom only surpassed him due to his complacency.
- Alternate Universes. This adds a natural way to progress the power scale when trying to do so with just U7 would be damaging at this point (though that hasn't stopped Tracetaro when it came to asspulling Moro out of nowhere :troll ). It also has the potential to tell the story from more characters' perspectives and explore places completely alien to the series. Shame none of the other universes have been thoroughly explored thus far though.
- The slice of life episodes. These tend to be a lot better than the main arcs, considering there aren't as many constant plot holes and are treat as dumb fun, the baseball episode and the Dr. Slump crossover being particular highlights.
- Anime Roshi's development. There's no excusing how dumb him getting stronger through training in secret is with how great his GAINZ were, the anime at least provides some decent rationale for him training again through seeing how incredibly strong his pupils became. The scene with this explanation and his Kamehameha would have also been a good moment in general had it led to the consequence of Roshi's (temporary) death.
 

Papasmurf

Zeta Elite
Legend
Member
Joined
May 30, 2015
Messages
30,975
- God ki as you said. While I'd have handled it a lot differently and made Vegeta the one to fight Beerus in God form due to his greater connection with the Super Saiya Peopul Saiyans' society, it was at least a nice way to up the scale of power inflation. Too bad they didn't even so much as properly explain why the God ritual (despite being so cheap) doesn't get spammed for everyone though.

- Bringing the Potaras back. While nerfing Vegetto so badly that he defuses in a GT Gogeta-esque fashion was lame, at least they remembered that it exists whereas in GT, it's all but forgotten along with Senzus... despite the fact that even Kibito was wearing functioning Potaras and that he could give Gohan an outfit containing Potaras as well.

- The concept of the Future Trunks arc. While it was handled horribly as soon as the Mafuba was introduced, the idea of Trunks growing from defeating Majin Boo/Dabra/Babidi was a plot point that needed to be addressed and Black was at least somewhat charismatic in the anime before it went to shit with Merged Zamasu and the asspull mountain surrounding him.

- The comedic slice of life episodes as you said. While the ones in the BoG arc were pretty awful and Super had plenty of bad filler like Copy-Faggot and the illusion villains filler, the baseball episode and some others were zany fun.

- Alternate universes and universe-busting feats and such being made clearer and more evident. Doesn't need much of an explanation when even the final battle in GT took place in a dinky little city and the villain's final attack being condensed to the size of a large table made the scale of GT look pathetic. By comparison Super has proper escalation in feat and the destructive scale of the attacks, as well as alternate universes allowing very strong opponents coming out of nowhere to be much more explainable than faggot villains like Cell and the cyborgs, or Super #17 and the evil dragons.

- The animation improving significantly in the ToP arc. While the writing was godawful and arguably worse than the FnF arc or the Zamasu fight, at least it looked good half the time. Can't really say that about the rest of Super barring certain episodes.
 

Future Warrior

Elite
Member
Joined
Dec 12, 2015
Messages
6,153
Age
22
-Beerus and Whis
-Zamasu and Goku Black
-God Ki
-Universe 6
-Broli (maybe)
-Some characters that appeared in the Tournament of Power
-Ultra Instinct
 

ahill1

Super Elite
Donor
Joined
Sep 4, 2015
Messages
14,407
Which are things done in the DBS anime that you've liked?
 

Warmmedown

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2015
Messages
10,009
Age
31
Vegeta trying to teach Cabba (although base Vegeta fights like a fucking retard here, throwing spinning kicks from ranges that should have got him countered by someone with base Cabba's speed, reactions and defensive strength (ie Cabba shouldn't be so scared of Vegeta's kicks to the point of being unable to bring himself to throw a counter)) and then even more so when Vegeta is shown to be motivated by his promise to save Cabba's universe.

All in all, Vegeta is the real MVP and hero of DB Super, because he has the power required (unlike Gohan, Krillin etc) and is motivated to help others. If Zeno or someone is the ultimate villain, Vegeta should be the one to defeat them (unless it's done by teaming with Goku and/or other characters ), because in Z it's suggested that a big part of the reason Goku is stronger than Vegeta comes from Goku's motivation to fight for the sake of others.
Vegeta also has some of the funniest moments in the show that I've seen, such as his cooking, which was cool to see because there was a famous song sung by his VA many years ago called "Vegeta's Cooking Hell". Possibly some of these moments may or may not be out of character - I've not really put thought into it.

I guess I don't mind that Future Trunks came back (although since I've not watched much, I don't know if they did him justice or not and I've also seen a theory that it's not the same Future Trunks as from Z) and Gohan gets to live the life he wanted, although why the fuck Gohan wore a PE teacher tracksuit to fight Freeza, idk.
 

Warmmedown

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2015
Messages
10,009
Age
31
There's some good music in Super too, although overall it doesn't seem to definitely have a better soundtrack than Z.
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
[mention]ahill1[/mention] Merged the thread with another one since they're basically the same thing.
 

Papasmurf

Zeta Elite
Legend
Member
Joined
May 30, 2015
Messages
30,975
It isn't polluted with forced LGBT faggot representation yet. :manabu
 

sei'taer

High Class Warrior
Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2015
Messages
4,158
Those 10 seconds of brilliant choreography amid sparring loops and chi spam in every fight.
 

sei'taer

High Class Warrior
Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2015
Messages
4,158
There's only one gender in DB and that's surpassing your limits.
 

Papasmurf

Zeta Elite
Legend
Member
Joined
May 30, 2015
Messages
30,975
sei'taer said:
There's only one gender in DB and that's surpassing your limits.

images
 

Warmmedown

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2015
Messages
10,009
Age
31
Raphael disagrees https://www.quora.com/Is-Whis-gay?top_ans=164936243
 
Top