The Way Piccolo Sensed Supreme Kai

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next”
Note: Piccolo’s line is a pretty standard way of saying that someone is stronger than you. You can find a lot of instances of people being described as in “a different dimension” throughout these quotes, like Tenshinhan talking about Super Saiyan Goku, or the narrator describing final form Freeza. In Viz the line is made vaguer (“He is a different order of being”), which makes it sound like Piccolo could just be talking about how Kaioshin is a super-god, rather than about his strength per-say. Anyway, though Piccolo's pretty much flat-out saying Kaioshin's way stronger than him, you could still argue that he's mistaken or lying...I guess.

Was it because he sensed Shin's godliness hence he assumed that Shin is so strong? Or he exactly knew how strong Shin is?

 

[Jeff Styles]

It make sense. Every new god (I think) is stronger than the other, Kami, North Kaio, etc. I highly doubt Piccolo know how strong Shin is. The only thing he has to go by is Shin's role in the god tier.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

So does that mean he thought he was weaker than Shin but in actuality it was the opposite around? Because if it's the latter the. Shin trolled him big time.

 

[Jeff Styles]

The moment you saw Shin, you knew he was trolling. Then you see him in Babidi's spaceship.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

When I was playing Buu's Fury game, I actually bought into his hype but then later he was acting like a pathetic and got beat up by Boo.

 

[Emmeth]

Shin specifically says Piccolo's other half (Kami) used to be a god. It had nothing to do with power.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo is merged with the former god of earth, that most likely gave him the ability to sense God Ki.

Or maybe Shin just doesn't have God Ki. Kaio is also a god and can be sensed.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Piccolo is merged with the former god of earth, that most likely gave him the ability to sense God Ki.

Or maybe Shin just doesn't have God Ki. Kaio is also a god and can be sensed.

But Piccolo couldn't sense Beerus or SSJG or SSJB.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If taking Super into account, Piccolo can't sense Gods. That said, sensing nothing is most likely what happened, which tipped Piccolo off to Shin's identity.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But Piccolo couldn't sense Beerus or SSJG or SSJB.

Then Kaioshin probably doesn't even have God Ki. The way Piccolo was confused over nobody being able to sense Beerus would imply it's the first time he's sensing such Ki.

Though nothing was ever commented about it in the manga, right?

 

[CONTAK]

I mean if Shin was afraid of Pocus, he couldn't be all that strong, right?

 

[Jeff Styles]

But Piccolo couldn't sense Beerus or SSJG or SSJB.

Then Kaioshin probably doesn't even have God Ki. The way Piccolo was confused over nobody being able to sense Beerus would imply it's the first time he's sensing such Ki.

Though nothing was ever commented about it in the manga, right?

But Piccolo couldn't sense Shin at all in the tournament or after. The only person that could sense Shin in the Boo arc is Kibito.


Piccolo only comment on SSJG Goku's ki, never Beerus's ki.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I mean if Shin was afraid of Pocus, he couldn't be all that strong, right?

Pocus was stronger than Freeza.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But Piccolo couldn't sense Shin at all in the tournament or after. The only person that could sense Shin in the Boo arc is Kibito.

Piccolo only comment on SSJG Goku's ki, never Beerus's ki.

Piccolo sensed Kaioshin's Ki at the Budokai and left claiming Kaioshin was too strong. Goku also got a eerie feeling after meeting Kaioshin, most likely because of the Ki signature he was giving:
Chapter: 437 (DBZ 243), P12.7-9
Context: after Goku and co. meet Kaioshin and Kibito
Piccolo: “…Wh-who are they?...”
Goku: “…I dunno…But there’s no doubt that it’s no longer just us who are gonna have easy wins…”
Kuririn: “Eh? I wonder…He didn’t seem that great…He just looked like a weird guy to me.”

Vegeta also complains that they weren't able to estimate Kaioshin's battle power, not that they couldn't sense him like it was said about Spopovich later:
Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P10.2
Context: as Piccolo and Kaioshin's match begins
Vegeta: “We’ll finally know: just how much is his battle power, which we haven’t even been able to estimate?...”

Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P4.4
Context: as Videl fights Spopovitch
Goku: “Like I thought, that Spopovitch guy is weird…He seems too fine, despite the fact that he should have taken so much damage, and I can’t sense any life from him…”

Later on Goku also tried to teleport to Kaioshin when escaping from Pure Boo's blast. He wouldn't do that if he weren't able to sense Kaioshin's Ki at all.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

^ but it seems to me that Goku was just desperate to get out of the Earth as soon as possible but still he failed to do so. He also couldn't sense Shin before on the Afterlife and instead he sensed Gohan first then he was able to teleport to Kaioshin planet.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Kaioshin has God Chi. When Goku became a Super Saiyan God and was unable to be sensed, Whis said he's now as much of a God as Beerus and Kaioshin. For those that can't sense it clearly, it's described as intense pressure or something along those lines. Vegeta couldn't assess Kaioshin's Chi, Goku assumed Kaioshin and Kibito were going to be tough based on the feeling he had, and Piccolo was able to detect his Godly nature.

When Goku was looking for Gohan after leaving Enma's, he immediately caught his Chi. He was actually surprised that Kaioshin and Kibito were even there. Everything pretty much points to them not being able to be sensed sans Kibito sensing Kaioshin's Chi when Piccolo was convinced he was gone.

 

[ahill1]

Kaioshin has God Chi. When Goku became a Super Saiyan God and was unable to be sensed, Whis said he's now as much of a God as Beerus and Kaioshin. For those that can't sense it clearly, it's described as intense pressure or something along those lines. Vegeta couldn't assess Kaioshin's Chi, Goku assumed Kaioshin and Kibito were going to be tough based on the feeling he had, and Piccolo was able to detect his Godly nature.

When Goku was looking for Gohan after leaving Enma's, he immediately caught his Chi. He was actually surprised that Kaioshin and Kibito were even there. Everything pretty much points to them not being able to be sensed sans Kibito sensing Kaioshin's Chi when Piccolo was convinced he was gone.

What do you think about the Daizenshuu stating Piccolo sensed a pretty big gap between his power and Kaioshin's?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Kaioshin has God Chi. When Goku became a Super Saiyan God and was unable to be sensed, Whis said he's now as much of a God as Beerus and Kaioshin. For those that can't sense it clearly, it's described as intense pressure or something along those lines. Vegeta couldn't assess Kaioshin's Chi, Goku assumed Kaioshin and Kibito were going to be tough based on the feeling he had, and Piccolo was able to detect his Godly nature.

When Goku was looking for Gohan after leaving Enma's, he immediately caught his Chi. He was actually surprised that Kaioshin and Kibito were even there. Everything pretty much points to them not being able to be sensed sans Kibito sensing Kaioshin's Chi when Piccolo was convinced he was gone.

Whis' statement about God Ki was in response to Gohan pointing how he cannot sense Goku anymore. Yet nobody ever pointed out they couldn't sense Kaioshin's Ki; like i said earlier, Goku apparently makes a judgement based on Shin's Ki signature and Vegeta only says he can't gauge Kaioshin's Ki, not that he can't sense it at all.

Gohan was the only one putting out his Ki as he was training with the Z Sword, Shin and Kibito were just lounging around watching Gohan and had no need to be powered up.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Yes. And the response says he's as much of a God as Beerus and Kaioshin. His Godly status became clear once he could no longer be sensed. I don't see why he'd mention both Beerus and Kaioshin if neither shared the same trait (possessing God Chi) as Super Saiyan God Goku. That's why Whis made the statement to begin with. Goku didn't make a judgment on Kaioshin's Chi. All of his statements were based on intuition.

Vegeta could feel pressure coming from Whis despite being unable to gauge his power. Trunks could feel the pressure from Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta's power despite being unable to gauge. Same with Kaioshin. Everything said about Kaioshin was based on intuition. I don't see why you need to be powered-up to actually be sensed, either. Goku could tell Piccolo had became much stronger despite lounging around on Kami's Lookout. There isn't a single instance of Kaioshin or Kibito being sensed, but we actually seen Kibito immediately sensed Kaioshin's Chi despite how weakened he was.

What do you think about the Daizenshuu stating Piccolo sensed a pretty big gap between his power and Kaioshin's?

It adheres to the Kaioshin>Piccolo outcome that's in Piccolo's statement, so the entry itself isn't an issue. I just think Piccolo left the fight for reasons outside of being outclassed in raw power.

 

[ahill1]

It adheres to the Kaioshin>Piccolo outcome that's in Piccolo's statement, so the entry itself isn't an issue. I just think Piccolo left the fight for reasons outside of being outclassed in raw power.

In the entry it's said Piccolo left the fight upon realizing there was too big of a gap between their powers. I don't agree with it though.