ToP/Moro fight #18 and earthlings

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Well from what we have we can say Base Vegeta > SSJ Trunks > Base Saganbo > Rest of the Brigade > Humans. Assuming Trunks is somehow stronger than his Z self, the humans can be one shoting Freeza or Cell while 5x below base Saiyans or so. Which is better than being literally a million times weaker.
 

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I've got no direct issue with it if viewing the other feats as inconsistencies typical of Super. As I said, the low-end interpretation of their power would be them being not much stronger than their Boo Arc selves (minus Roshi). However, the amount of feats and statements I mentioned certainly makes such a low-end interpretation questionable at best.

I just found out that apparently Moro was sharing his energy with the rest of the Galactic Brigade. If this is true then maybe the humans are stronger than the kids.

How close to the base Saiyans do you think Kuririn and co. are? 50%? Frost tanking the Shin Kikoho seems to imply a gargantuan gap unless it’s just amplification bs.
 

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We don't know how much energy Moro gave them, though. The little he gave Saganbo on Namek allowed Saganbo to punch a surprised SSJ3 Goku. So then what?
 

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How close to the base Saiyans do you think Kuririn and co. are? 50%? Frost tanking the Shin Kikoho seems to imply a gargantuan gap unless it’s just amplification bs.
Hard to say since, as I said, implications on their power are inconsistent. For the ToP, probably nowhere near them since, even taking it as Tenshinhan just throwing at a regular Kikoho as suggested by the name and not just rebranding the Shin Kikoho (given the anime still keeps the "Shin" part), you still have Kuririn commenting on getting rusty. For their Moro Arc selves, they could potentially be on par with the base Saiyans considering Tenshinhan's shock at Base Galu easily doing the cleanup work for him and Yamcha, though that's debatable when Kuririn still had to ask if Goku had become stronger after he was saved by him.

We don't know how much energy Moro gave them, though. The little he gave Saganbo on Namek allowed Saganbo to punch a surprised SSJ3 Goku. So then what?
Saganbo is likely second to only Monster Yuzun amongst the prisoners naturally when considering his rank in the brigade, so the others would still be below that level even if assuming they got a similar amount of energy. Even with the high-end assumption they weren't that far from him, it wouldn't be too inconsistent with what was shown considering Saganbo's shock at Vegeta killing Yuzun despite already having a rough idea from attacking SS3 Goku how strong the two Saiyans might be and also referring to Yuzun as unbeatable despite his current power.
 

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Hard to say since, as I said, implications on their power are inconsistent. For the ToP, probably nowhere near them since, even taking it as Tenshinhan just throwing at a regular Kikoho as suggested by the name and not just rebranding the Shin Kikoho (given the anime still keeps the "Shin" part), you still have Kuririn commenting on getting rusty. For their Moro Arc selves, they could potentially be on par with the base Saiyans considering Tenshinhan's shock at Base Galu easily doing the cleanup work for him and Yamcha, though that's debatable when Kuririn still had to ask if Goku had become stronger after he was saved by him.


Saganbo is likely second to only Monster Yuzun amongst the prisoners naturally when considering his rank in the brigade, so the others would still be below that level even if assuming they got a similar amount of energy. Even with the high-end assumption they weren't that far from him, it wouldn't be too inconsistent with what was shown considering Saganbo's shock at Vegeta killing Yuzun despite already having a rough idea from attacking SS3 Goku how strong the two Saiyans might be and also referring to Yuzun as unbeatable despite his current power.
So: Goku (Post Merus) / Vegeta Base (Post Yadart) >>> Super Yuzun > Saganbo >>> Goku SSJ3 (Arc Moro)?

Super Yuzun's momentum on Yuzun Base, is it equal to Zarbon's?
 

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Saganbo’s punch on SSJ3 Goku was probably just a lucky blow. Moro didn’t give him his power until the Earth battle, so Saganbo should still be < SSJ Trunks.

Also, the humans definitely did not improve on the 2 months gap. Kuririn was equally at disvantage vs Yunba before and after the timeskip.
 
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Saganbo’s punch on SSJ3 Goku was probably just a lucky blow. Moro didn’t give him his power until the Earth battle, so Saganbo should still be < SSJ Trunks.

Also, the humans definitely did not improve on the 2 months gap. Kuririn was equally at disvantage vs Yunba before and after the timeskip.
Krillin said he improved, bruh.
 

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Ch. 50, pg. 19.2-3
Context:
Moro has promised to share his power with all of the escaped prisoners
Goku: “Huh? The ones inside… I just felt their chi grow! I think Moro must’ve used his magic again!”

Found the statement saying Moro was giving them energy. Moro may bave souped them up again in the following two months.

@Pyro a puny 10% increase. He went from barely holding his own vs Yunba to barely holding his own vs Yunba.
 
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