Toyotaro #17 vs Super-Saiyan 3 Goku

[Fantastische Hure]

They fought for a bit.

Who was higher? Was Goku giving it his all or since he wasn't trying to fight him really he didn't even go all-out?

 

[SSJ2]

Goku's face looked like srs bizness.

 

[Papasmurf]

17 rapes since he has infinite energy

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku's face looked like srs bizness.

Seru also had a srs bidness face when he fought Goku, but he surpressed his power for an even fight.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

17 rapes since he has infinite energy

So they're comparable?

 

[SSJ2]

They looked pretty even. It would be Seru vs Galu gap at most.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

They looked pretty even. It would be Seru vs Galu gap at most.

I guess that's fair now that I think about it. Toyotaro isn't the kind-of person to contradict what he himself wrote/drew and since there was no confirmation or statement on Goku holding-back they should be comparable.

 

[SSJ2]

Why the fuck is he that strong in the first place lol.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Why the fuck is he that strong in the first place lol.

Dende said he got stronger. "Why?" you ask...no-one knows.

 

[SSJ2]

It's fucking nonsense lol. Aren't the Base Saiyans god tier in Super? lol

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think so or at-least much stronger than before since Regular Goku did better against Hit than 10%> SSj-Blue Vegeta did against Hit, but you could argue Hit was holding-back more since he knew Goku could also transform into the Blue state.

 

[Papasmurf]

There's also Galu needing SSJG to stomp Future Zamasu who was at best somewhat below FPSSJ2 Trunks, which shows them being able to switch god ki on and off is total bullshit (aside from Vegetas weird powerup in SSJ2 form).

 

[SSJ2]

Btw when were there 17 Toyotaros?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Btw when were there 17 Toyotaros?

2 2 2

 

[Papasmurf]

17 brains and he still can't think of a half decent story

 

[freezamite]

Why the fuck is he that strong in the first place lol.

Yeah, how the androids are handled is my first disappointment with the manga of Super. I mean, in the original work it was pretty obvious that those androids weren't just "super-humans".
Their strength came from the implants gero put on them, and they couldn't get stronger or weaker because in that sense they were just machines (in the same way they couldn't get tired either).

 

[Keedounan]

Why the fuck is he that strong in the first place lol.

Yeah, how the androids are handled is my first disappointment with the manga of Super. I mean, in the original work it was pretty obvious that those androids weren't just "super-humans".
Their strength came from the implants gero put on them, and they couldn't get stronger or weaker because in that sense they were just machines (in the same way they couldn't get tired either).

That is false, though.

In the manga, they are cyborgs, which means that they are humans improved by mechanical parts. They were later retconned into being modified by artificial cells. This change helps to explain why their cells are special enough to become Perfect Cell, so it was probably for the better. In either case, #17 and #18 were never supposed to be machines like #16 or #17. They were simply enhanced humans. Therefore, they ARE capable of getting stronger.

However, the thing that makes no sense is how strong #17 become with so little training, especially when there was no indication of his potential being just that high. His case isn't as extreme as Freeza, though.

 

[freezamite]

That is false, though.

In the manga, they are cyborgs, which means that they are humans improved by mechanical parts. They were later retconned into being modified by artificial cells. This change helps to explain why their cells are special enough to become Perfect Cell, so it was probably for the better. In either case, #17 and #18 were never supposed to be machines like #16 or #17. They were simply enhanced humans. Therefore, they ARE capable of getting stronger.

However, the thing that makes no sense is how strong #17 become with so little training, especially when there was no indication of his potential being just that high. His case isn't as extreme as Freeza, though.

But their strength never came from their human parts, they were just regular humans enhanced by mechanical parts, and that's why their power couldn't be traced nor detected.
That retconning never happened in Z though. 18 trained nothing, and her power didn't decrease like Gohan's and of course she never gets tired.

Cell was the one with artificial Cells, and that's why he was like any other normal living being in the series: detectable Ki and non-infinite stamina despite having 17 and 18 inside.

Regarding Freezer, the difference here is that Freezer's strength was implied from the very beginning. He hadn't trained once in his life and he was already at FPSSJ levels of power, so it's only logical that with a bit of training the increase would be huge.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

but you could argue Hit was holding-back more since he knew Goku could also transform into the Blue state.

I don't think even that would hold up, considering Hit's character. He just wanted to get his job done and only found enough fun in the battle to offer some courtesy once Goku went Blue, which beforehand, Hit would've probably expected to go down the same way it did with Vegeta. There's also Base Goku/Vegeta surviving hits from Merged Zamasu, which whilst bullshit no matter how you look at it, still points to the Base Saiyans not being hundreds of times weaker than their God forms.

Works best just to have the current Base Saiyans having God Ki in terms of feat consistency manga-wise.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

but you could argue Hit was holding-back more since he knew Goku could also transform into the Blue state.

I don't think even that would hold up, considering Hit's character. He just wanted to get his job done and only found enough fun in the battle to offer some courtesy once Goku went Blue, which beforehand, Hit would've probably expected to go down the same way it did with Vegeta. There's also Base Goku/Vegeta surviving hits from Merged Zamasu, which whilst bullshit no matter how you look at it, still points to the Base Saiyans not being hundreds of times weaker than their God forms.

Works best just to have the current Base Saiyans having God Ki in terms of feat consistency manga-wise.

Who would you say wins this?