Tsufurians in Super

[Captain Cadaver]

So, with all the things going on in discussing the ToP, one tweet from Herms says one of Universe 2's fighters was a Tsufurian. https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/898248397072678912

It doesn't say who, though my money's on Zirloin (the guy who looks like Rild doing a bad Thanos cosplay), considering the physical similarities to the Machine Mutant.

That said, do you think Super will touch on this piece of lore Toriyama created for the DBZ anime and what GT's storyboard staff expanded on in order to create a new arc, or do you think it'll end up just being some tidbit to make one of the fodder character have something going for them?

 

[Papasmurf]

I doubt Toriyama will expand upon it, and I don't even think he designed the fake Rild himself. The only anime-original concepts Toriyama bothered to incorporate into canon were things like Bardock and Broly.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm quite surprised Toriyama would even remember the Tsufurians considering the concept was only briefly touched upon in some filler episode and in a GT arc which he had no part in (aside from some character designs). Also in some random OVA I think.

I think most people considered the U2 Tsufurian to be Zarbuto, the guy with the mustache. As for touching upon it in some new arc in DBS, I don't see why not? Wouldn't be the first time they touch upon an older concept.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

[mention]Kenshi[/mention] Still, Toyotaro is also now a writer for the plot's main details as of the Moro Arc, so it wouldn't be hard to imagine him drawing on this if Toriyama allows him to helm another arc in the future. Whilst obviously non-canon, there's also DBH having introduced the idea of Tsufurian Machine Mutants similar to Baby existing in U6, so there is some precedent for it in modern material.

[mention]Future Warrior[/mention] Toriyama was the one to come up with the idea of the Saiyans' history with the Tsufurians in the anime filler and even designed one of them iirc. His memory's not the greatest, though the Tsufurians did make enough of an impact in GT he may at least have some recollection of them.

As for the U2 Tsufurian, it could go either way. Zirloin has the Rild connection, though Zarbuto does have similarities to Gero that Mu's design draws from too. You could also somewhat make the case for Rabanra, since his green forehead orb could be a nod to Hatchiyack.

 

[Papasmurf]

There is a precedent, but Heroes is a game that even makes up different versions of pre-existing characters just to pad their character count. Don't find the idea of Toriyama canonizing Tsufurians that much more probable than him making Cunber canon. Coola has a far better chance of being canonized than Tsufurians imo.

@Future Warrior Toriyama was the one to come up with the idea of the Saiyans' history with the Tsufurians in the anime filler and even designed one of them iirc. His memory's not the greatest, though the Tsufurians did make enough of an impact in GT he may at least have some recollection of them.

This is the same Toriyama that couldn't even remember Vegetto until he met DBM's writers...

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The Tsufurians are already canonised, considering Toriyama came up with the idea for them for the Z anime. The question really is will he make use of them? Probably not anytime soon, though he may make use of them whenever other ways to extend the series start to run dry.
I'd agree with you there's more chance of getting Coola if the chance for him wasn't wasted with FnF or any of Freeza's actions thus far. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time Super's made a retcon to itself

 

[Papasmurf]

Toriyama coming up with a rough draft for a filler concept doesn't mean anything, lest you consider Paikuhan, the illusion Saiyans, or Garlic Jr. (who Toriyama designed) canon. You could consider the anime design for the Yardratans canon now that Super uses both designs, but Universe 7 Tsufurians have yet to be canonized.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Toriyama did provide Toei's staff with a rough draft of the backstory along with the design, so it's a bit of a different situation to the other examples.

This is the same Toriyama that couldn't even remember Vegetto until he met DBM's writers...

I mean, Vegetto appeared for a few chapters/episodes whereas Baby had a whole arc for himself. 2
Wasn't aware of that though. Source for this? That's on par with how he forgot Lunch and Tao Pai Pai.

 

[Papasmurf]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention]: https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/EN/strip-9.html

It's also telling that he didn't originally plan on Galu and Vegina just fusing to Vegetto to fight Zamasu despite having two pairs of Potaras with them, so it's possible he may have forgotten Vegetto again. 2 2

 

[Future Warrior]

@Future Warrior Toriyama was the one to come up with the idea of the Saiyans' history with the Tsufurians in the anime filler and even designed one of them iirc. His memory's not the greatest, though the Tsufurians did make enough of an impact in GT he may at least have some recollection of them.

As for the U2 Tsufurian, it could go either way. Zirloin has the Rild connection, though Zarbuto does have similarities to Gero that Mu's design draws from too. You could also somewhat make the case for Rabanra, since his green forehead orb could be a nod to Hatchiyack.

I know that Toriyama was the one who came up with the concept of Tsufurians, but considering it amounted to one filler episode almost 3 decades prior, it's still surprising to say the least.

I've been doing some digging on some interviews, and apparently in a 2014 issue he actually did mention the Tsufurians briefly.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-july-2014-ooishi-toriyama-scouters-qa/

 

[Papasmurf]

Hmm, interesting. So Toriyama didn't forget Tsufurians after all, and the Saiyans wiping out the Tsufurians can be considered canon.

Also interesting is how he referred to the Tsufurians as the original inhabitants of Planet Vegeta... so I guess AT definitely doesn't consider Episode of Bardock anything close to canon 2

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The U6 Arc already established Planet Sadala was the original home of the Saiyans before civil war destroyed it and the survivors migrated to Vegeta, so yeah.

 

[Papasmurf]

The U6 Arc already established Planet Sadala was the original home of the Saiyans before civil war destroyed it and the survivors migrated to Vegeta, so yeah.

I know that, but in Episode of Bardock it was shown that a thousand years in the past, Planet Vegeta was known as Planet Plant and housed much different people than either the Tsufurians or the Saiyans.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Also, as bad as DB Minus/DBS Broly Bardock was in capturing what made Bardock compelling to begin with, that further made it apparent Episode of Bardock wasn't a thing, given his armour and position in space at the start of that spinoff was completely different to the Broly movie.

 

[Papasmurf]

To be fair, Toriyama drew Bardock with the same design as his TV special self in the Freeza arc, and Minus wasn't serialized until after EoB anyway, so in Ooishi's mind she was likely just following the established canon.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Whilst I agree, Toriyama is known to be quite liberal with his colour palette when it comes to some instances (tankoban covers, for an example) and has already changed it around in Super with Future Trunks' hair, though I would agree Ooishi's interpretation of the scene lines up a lot better than Toriyama's modern version of events in the Broly film unless assuming Freeza had the best eyesight in the series to see this one Saiyan standing up to him from so far away 2

 

[Future Warrior]

so I guess AT definitely doesn't consider Episode of Bardock anything close to canon 2

Who in their right mind would ever consider that canon?

 

[Papasmurf]

Whilst I agree, Toriyama is known to be quite liberal with his colour palette when it comes to some instances (tankoban covers, for an example) and has already changed it around in Super with Future Trunks' hair, though I would agree Ooishi's interpretation of the scene lines up a lot better than Toriyama's modern version of events in the Broly film unless assuming Freeza had the best eyesight in the series to see this one Saiyan standing up to him from so far away 2

Maybe Cold's mutated genes gave Freeza Sharingan eyes, and that's why his eyes have always been depicted as red.

The Super anime did have Freeza in 4th form keeping up with Dyspo who gave god tiers trouble after all.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Who in their right mind would ever consider that canon?

Ooishi herself maybe?

 

[Future Warrior]

Who in their right mind would ever consider that canon?

Ooishi herself maybe?

I don't even know who that is, which speaks on how inconsequential she is to even the DB brand itself.