U6 Tourney vs ToP

[Southern Gothic]

I haven't gotten to the ToP as of yet, but I was wondering how they compare and which one you guys think is better? The U6 Tournament was okay, but I thought it played out way too much like a series of pokemon battles, especially Vegeta vs Magetta.

It the ToP any different or are the fights basically the same style?

 

[Pocket-God]

Fights in the ToP so far are pretty lame :v
Aside from 17 and 18(Post Krillin) they're awesome.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Bah! I liked some of the U6 stuff. Vegeta vs Magetta was good, maybe the best one besides Goku vs Hit, but they didn't always feel like DBZ. Was kind of hoping that would change. The problem, I guess is that the more fighters and battles you have, the shorter and less interesting those fights have to become.

 

[Pocket-God]

So far it's all basically casually tossing out fodder or figuring out a way to counter someone's trick.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I'm gonna say that ToP is much better than the U6 tournament especially with the recent episodes. Some other episodes are lame because of lack of characters development of other universes but the episodes with U6 fighters during the ToP are worth of watching.

 

[Papasmurf]

TOP has better animation and fights but the writing's pr shit in some episodes

 

[Captain Cadaver]

What redeemable and defendable qualities the arc had were immediately thrown away with the asspulls of the most recent episode, so U6 Arc wins due to not needing to endure it anywhere near as long as the ToP.

 

[xenos5]

What redeemable and defendable qualities the arc had were immediately thrown away with the asspulls of the most recent episode, so U6 Arc wins due to not needing to endure it anywhere near as long as the ToP.

Oh screw off. 109 and 110 were fantastic. 110 especially. Many are considering it the best episode of Super so far for a reason.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Oh screw off. 109 and 110 were fantastic. 110 especially. Many are considering it the best episode of Super so far for a reason.

Because many care more about cool fights and transformations than actual coherent writing.

 

[xenos5]

Oh screw off. 109 and 110 were fantastic. 110 especially. Many are considering it the best episode of Super so far for a reason.

Because many care more about cool fights and transformations than actual coherent writing.

And you and others excuse every instance of bad writing in the manga because "Mah Powerlevels are better" when shit like Base Goku and Vegeta taking an attack meant for SSB Vegito disproves even that much.

You are not better than any of us anime fans, dude.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

And you and others excuse every instance of bad writing in the manga because "Mah Powerlevels are better" when shit like Base Goku and Vegeta taking an attack meant for SSB Vegito disproves even that much.

You are not better than any of us anime fans, dude.

Uh, no. In the case of the manga, it stays slightly more consistent in terms of what power a character can gain and the method (Goku and Trunks not just getting stronger via resolve boosts) and having characters actually act competent (eg. Black and Zamasu killing all the humans instead of just sitting about). I only find the manga slightly better than the anime in that regard. Both are still bottom tier series.

 

[xenos5]

Uh, no. In the case of the manga, it stays slightly more consistent in terms of what power a character can gain and the method (Goku and Trunks not just getting stronger via resolve boosts) and having characters actually act competent (eg. Black and Zamasu killing all the humans instead of just sitting about). I only find the manga slightly better than the anime in that regard. Both are still bottom tier series.

And what was SSB Vegeta destroying two Merged Zamasu clones in the manga then?

Or SSB Goku (not even the asspull "Mastered SSB" just regular SSB) blowing a hole in Merged Zamasu?http://www.mangatown.com/manga/dragon_ball_chou/c023/10.html

Heck BASE VEGETA also blew back Merged Zamasu http://www.mangatown.com/manga/dragon_ball_chou/c024/20.html

If you can put up with all of that and think this arc and the anime are somehow worse because of the best animated fight to date than you don't have any right to act like your taste in writing is better than other people's.

 

[Pyro]

I didn't even watch the U6 tourney. It looked like trash. From the fights and clips I have watched, I'm glad I skipped it. Nothing entertained me other than some of Goku's Kaio-Ken stuff.

At least there have been several good moments in the ToP:

- Final Kamehameha against the Trio de Dangers.
- Every Freeza appearance.
- Roshi's sacrifice against the bird motherfucker, and Goku's emotional moment thereafter.
- Vegeta telling Roshi to GTFO before he dies of exhaustion.
- Caulifla and her T H I C C self.

 

[Southern Gothic]

T H I C C
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[xenos5]

Caulifla is bae

For me though my favorite moment of the ToP so far is Hit vs Dyspo. I loved the showing of tactics and techniques.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Semen Demon

 

[Captain Cadaver]

And what was SSB Vegeta destroying two Merged Zamasu clones in the manga then?

Or SSB Goku (not even the asspull "Mastered SSB" just regular SSB) blowing a hole in Merged Zamasu?http://www.mangatown.com/manga/dragon_ball_chou/c023/10.html

Heck BASE VEGETA also blew back Merged Zamasu http://www.mangatown.com/manga/dragon_ball_chou/c024/20.html

If you can put up with all of that and think this arc and the anime are somehow worse because of the best animated fight to date than you don't have any right to act like your taste in writing is better than other people's.

You're right about that (though the Vegeta case can be due to the already poorly written asspull of him getting rage boosts), though even these are slightly more interesting than characters just getting rage/resolve boosts to get stronger, especially ones to make them 10x stronger than before. Again, I'm not even defending the Super manga. It simply insults my intelligence slightly less per chapter than the anime does per episode.

Anime also has Base Goku fighting evenly with someone Vegeta needed SSJ for and characters gaining ridiculous amounts of power with very little training, so it's far from being a coherent piece of writing.

If you're acting as if cool action and pretty colours are a means to defend something that has characters conveniently forget key information (Genki-Dama not harming pure hearted beings) or something that didn't even do anything to the plot (Jiren wasn't defeated and we know from spoilers Goku will restore his stamina soon) and only raises more questions than it answers (why didn't Jiren just KO everybody when he has more than enough reserves to do so), then I have every right to say my taste is superior to those that try (and fail) to defend the arc and the series.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

In hind-sight although maybe a bit disappointed at the time, the U6 tournament was some good light-hearted fare. Not outstanding or anything but good for DB-Super, especially since that precedes the ultra serious next Saga and even the ToP has some serious stakes.

 

[Southern Gothic]

As a Vegeta fan, I did like seeing him go 3-1 in the tournament. He doesn't get many kills so they padded his stats here. And the win against Frost was kind of a make up for getting robbed and Freeza-sama.

 

[xenos5]

You're right about that (though the Vegeta case can be due to the already poorly written asspull of him getting rage boosts), though even these are slightly more interesting than characters just getting rage/resolve boosts to get stronger, especially ones to make them 10x stronger than before. Again, I'm not even defending the Super manga. It simply insults my intelligence slightly less per chapter than the anime does per episode.

Anime also has Base Goku fighting evenly with someone Vegeta needed SSJ for and characters gaining ridiculous amounts of power with very little training, so it's far from being a coherent piece of writing.

If you're acting as if cool action and pretty colours are a means to defend something that has characters conveniently forget key information (Genki-Dama not harming pure hearted beings) or something that didn't even do anything to the plot (Jiren wasn't defeated and we know from spoilers Goku will restore his stamina soon) and only raises more questions than it answers (why didn't Jiren just KO everybody when he has more than enough reserves to do so), then I have every right to say my taste is superior to those that try (and fail) to defend the arc and the series.

There are more than one aspects to writing than power scaling and rule consistency.

I don't watch Super just for the action. I also watch it to see characters I love have great interactions and have interesting development (Hit has honestly changed a lot since the U6 tournament. He's really come alive and despite still being serious he also cracks a smile every once in a while and now uses quips when talking to his enemy).

Dragon Ball Super to me takes some of the best aspects of DB and DBZ as well as some of the bad aspects for an interesting hodgepodge that can really surprise.

The aspects it takes from DB are the interesting tactics and special techniques (since DBZ didn't really have much of that other than Buu and Gotenks) and it takes a good bit of the intensity from Z and the twists and turns.

I love seeing characters outsmarting eachother and finding counters to new abilities. DBZ was almost entirely lacking in this aspect.

You can't say your taste is superior when you just have different writing preferences and value different things more than others.