Vegeta SSJBE (Post Broly) vs Jiren (Beyond Limits)?
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Jiren wins. Vegeta is at most 1.25 times his ToP self.
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I’d say more since Post Broly Goku and Vegeta have surpassed Gohan, but Vegeta would lose to Jiren regardless.
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Vegeta SSBE: 0.99
Jiren: 12.1
Jiren: 12.1
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Do you think that after Gogeta split, Goku and Vegeta received some kind of Power Up? And if so, Piccolo sensed the new Base powers of these 2 and could mathematically assume that their PSSJB forms would surpass Gohan?
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I’m not sure. The manga says they emerged from these events “stronger than ever”. I think the most logical answer is a Zenkai after they fought Broly.
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And after that Zenkai Power, they merged into Gogeta? Or that Zenkai Power received it after the merger? Do not forget that Goku and Vegeta were not healed within the Movie.
I would also like to know your reasons why you have Goku / Vegeta PSSJB (Arc Moro)> Gohan?
We must not forget that when Sabango's subordinates went to Earth for the first time, Moro commented that he did not expect that there would be someone so strong on Earth. He was referring to Gohan. Which implies that Gohan was still extremely powerful.
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Ch. 20, pg. 15.2-3
Context: Vegeta is still getting beat by Goku Black despite receiving a senzu bean
Trunks: “It’s probably no longer possible for him and Goku to power up from that ability. There’s a good chance that the two of them have already hit their limits.”
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Are you a believer that Broly SSJ> UI Goku (ToP)?
Even if it wasn't, Gohan just stopped watching the UI moves Goku vs Jiren (Beyond Limits), when they were both fighting in earnest.
While a much stronger Gohan could not see the movements of UI Sign Goku (Suppressed against Moro).
Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart) is comfortably more powerful than UI Sign Goku (Beyond Limits). Not only because of Goku's statement that one day he will surpass Vegeta again, but it was also noticed in the fight against Moro (OG73I / Suppressed), where UI Sign Goku (Beyond Limits) was defeated more easily compared to Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart).
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Honestly don't remember enough of the Broly movie to comment on that.
Regarding Gohan not tracking UI Sign Goku though, I'm not sure if that's entirely consistent. Nobody was unable to track Vegeta who was even stronger/faster than Goku.
Regarding Gohan not tracking UI Sign Goku though, I'm not sure if that's entirely consistent. Nobody was unable to track Vegeta who was even stronger/faster than Goku.
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The statement that Broly SSJ is invincible is made in the DBS novel Broly.
When UI Sign Goku (Suppressed against Moro) first appeared Gohan and Piccolo when they couldn't see him, they wondered how powerful Goku had become, suggesting that UI Sign Goku (Suppressed against Moro) was at least as powerful as UI Goku (ToP).
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Ch. 42, pg. 33.2
Context: talking about the events of the Broly movie
Narrator: “The next spot of trouble caused by Freeza is a tale for another time… Suffice it to say, our two Saiyans emerged from those events stronger than ever.”
We also see Gohan and Vegeta's powers skyrocket during fights (Kefla and Granolah, respectively). Besides, Trunks isn't even sure himself: He just said they probably couldn't get them anymore.
Zenkais sort of went away at the end of the Freeza Saga, but recently they're starting to come back.
Really? I could swear Piccolo had given them a senzu before they tried fusion. They should just get stronger as soon as they're healed, that's how it works.
When Piccolo says Gohan is the strongest fighter in the world, Gohan instantly assumes it's because Goku and Vegeta are off world.
I'd think that's because of how fast UI moves. Goku was so fast he could even avoid Moro's magic altogether, which Vegeta clearly couldn't.
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At least we know that UI Sign Goku (Suppressed against Moro) is at least >> Jiren (FP), based on the fact that Gohan just stopped following the fight between UI Goku vs Jiren (Beyond Limits), when they fought with everything. For while a much more powerful Gohan could not even see the movements of UI Sign Goku (Post Merus).
@Pyro do you still believe in Broly SSJ> UI Goku (ToP)?
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I was thinking that surely Broly SSJ got a lot stronger while fighting Frieza and maybe surpassed UI Goku (ToP).
While they were fighting Goku PSSJB against Super Sabango, Gohan and Piccolo were still talking about the UI as if it were from another league. Therefore, Goku PSSJB (Post Merus) still did not reach the level of UI Goku (ToP).
Surely Vegeta (Post Yadart) was >>>>>> Goku (Post Merus) in equal forms.
What do you think?
While they were fighting Goku PSSJB against Super Sabango, Gohan and Piccolo were still talking about the UI as if it were from another league. Therefore, Goku PSSJB (Post Merus) still did not reach the level of UI Goku (ToP).
Surely Vegeta (Post Yadart) was >>>>>> Goku (Post Merus) in equal forms.
What do you think?
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When UI Sign Goku was fighting Moro, 17/18 were asking if Goku was stronger than ever. Piccolo and Gohan couldn't confirm it at first, but eventually once he got the upper hand on Moro they were able to see that he was indeed stronger than his ToP self. That alone should tell us that Vegeta pre-Yardrat wouldn't stand a chance in hell here. Post Merus UI Sign Goku was still being compared to his ToP self. Vegeta is eons below that level pre-training.
