Vegeta vs Jeice

[FeatsofPower]

Ok let’s explore this power again.

So Vegeta immediately after sensu and Vegeta when fighting jeice.

I got Vegeta at 40k or 45k after the immediate sensu and against Jeice at 75k

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why does Vegeta have two levels? Is it because he still thought 60k Goku was better than him after eating the senzu?

The upper limit for Vegeta vs Jeice is 180k. He wants nothing to do with Goku, so anything between that and 60k for now.

 

[SSJ2]

After the senzu he should be strong enough for Goku to have confidence in him. 45-48k imo.

Against Jeice it's hard to say. Ginyu thought his victory was assured after taking control of Vegeta, and he saw how little power he was able to use from a 180,000 body.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Are we sure this isn’t just taking scenes off context? Nobody knew how big Vegeta’s zenkai was until he started fighting, including Vegeta himself. The “continuous zenkai” theory doesn’t really make sense if you think about it.

I think Ginyu would be capable of using Vegeta’s power, but it could go either way. Goku was a special case because of all the spiritual training he’d done. Vegeta’s power was acquired through fighting, and Ginyu has some basic Ki control.

 

[Hector]

-Initial: 40k
-Powered Up: 55k

 

[FeatsofPower]

Why does Vegeta have two levels? Is it because he still thought 60k Goku was better than him after eating the senzu?

Yes, initially Vegeta doesn’t think he’s stronger than Goku and then he starts saying that this increase he got is no ordinary increase.

The “continuous zenkai” theory doesn’t really make sense if you think about it.

Neither does the continuous Guru power up but it’s a better explanation than plot induced increases for no reason.

 

[SSJ2]

Are we sure this isn’t just taking scenes off context? Nobody knew how big Vegeta’s zenkai was until he started fighting, including Vegeta himself. The “continuous zenkai” theory doesn’t really make sense if you think about it.

So Vegeta vs Jeice was ~500,000? Lol

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yes, initially Vegeta doesn’t think he’s stronger than Goku and then he starts saying that this increase he got is no ordinary increase.

It's beyond ordinary because it's very big. It happens sometimes for people to not realize how strong they really got until they start doing stuff.

Neither does the continuous Guru power up but it’s a better explanation than plot induced increases for no reason.

I think the real answer for Vegeta's power up is the nap. Sure, he had a senzu, but for some reason he was still tired and took a nap when he shouldn't. Saying the senzu didn't kill his fatigue kills two birds with one stone. Occam's Razor and all.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So Vegeta vs Jeice was ~500,000? Lol

No, he was still tired and couldn't use all his power. I think that was the major theory before the continued zenkai came up.

But if you think he was >180k, saying he's 500k isn't a big deal.

 

[SSJ2]

Napping = 5x power increase now.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Fatigue?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Have you seriously never heard this? I thought it was a pretty common theory. Certainly makes more sense than continuous zenkais.

 

[SSJ2]

The theory is that the zenkai was completed after the nap. A zenkai that was constantly increasing his power, which was a common trend on Namek.

Vegeta knew exactly how strong he was against Jeice, hence why he told him to check his scouter. There was zero indication that Vegeta was fatigued there, especially considering he just had a sense bean which we know heals you to 100%.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The theory is that the zenkai was completed after the nap. A zenkai that was constantly increasing his power, which was a common trend on Namek.

Vegeta knew exactly how strong he was against Jeice, hence why he told him to check his scouter. There was zero indication that Vegeta was fatigued there, especially considering he just had a sense bean which we know heals you to 100%.

Vegeta took a nap when he should be looking out for the DBs. He was so tired he lowered his guard around the boys, even after the senzu. And I never said Vegeta didn't know how strong he was.

 

[ahill1]

Around 250,000 to me. I think the fact Ginyu was confident that once taking Vegeta's body he'd get the job done while after seeing Goku's 180k power he saw it was enough is more compelling evidence to put himself higher than that level. I think he just had realized the extent of the increase he got when he appeared in front of Jheese and was ready to kill him. Before it he seemed somewhat cautious of Ginyu coming there, but he seemed to get a better grasp of his power after comfronting Jheese. He likely was holding back when being punched by Jheese and released it all when telling Jheese to look at his scouter.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think the real answer for Vegeta's power up is the nap. Sure, he had a senzu, but for some reason he was still tired and took a nap when he shouldn't. Saying the senzu didn't kill his fatigue kills two birds with one stone. Occam's Razor and all.

The simplest answer is the best. Vegeta received a continuous zenkai just like Krillen and Gohan did. The real answer is plot, the best in universe answer is a continuous power up.

Gohan and Krillen had no nap and still powered up tremendously. The only variable between the three is the means of the power up, one was unlocked via Guru and the other was from a zenkai.

Sensus restore a fighters full ability, Goku under even more stress for multiple days flew Snake Way without a break and the sensus restored his power in full.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta also stated to Jheese he was "still getting stronger" iirc.

If Ginyu wasn't injured do you guys think Vegeta would whoop his ass there once Goku was back at his body? Rereading the scene it looks like Vegeta was a little stressed when Ginyu was back to his body, but again, he knew Ginyu was in an injured state, so his stress may be confusion.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The whole situation was a confusing mess for Vegeta. He thought Goku and Ginyu would kill each other and he was free to get his wish. Even seeing Gohan and Kuririn made him stressed.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Around 250,000 to me. I think the fact Ginyu was confident that once taking Vegeta's body he'd get the job done while after seeing Goku's 180k power he saw it was enough is more compelling evidence to put himself higher than that level. I think he just had realized the extent of the increase he got when he appeared in front of Jheese and was ready to kill him. Before it he seemed somewhat cautious of Ginyu coming there, but he seemed to get a better grasp of his power after comfronting Jheese. He likely was holding back when being punched by Jheese and released it all when telling Jheese to look at his scouter.

Ginyu wasn’t able to utilize Goku’s full power, but with Vegeta he probably could.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Vegeta also stated to Jheese he was "still getting stronger" iirc.

If Ginyu wasn't injured do you guys think Vegeta would whoop his ass there once Goku was back at his body? Rereading the scene it looks like Vegeta was a little stressed when Ginyu was back to his body, but again, he knew Ginyu was in an injured state, so his stress may be confusion.

Yeah Vegeta ain’t all that strong here imo, I think Ginyu is assuming he’d use all of Vegeta’s power not the same situation with Goku. Goku was a special case.