Vegeta(vs jheese) Vs Goku(vs Ginyus)

[Papasmurf]

Goku would defeat him if he used his maximum Kaioken though, since he doesn't think Freeza's power dwarfs him when he arrives on Namek despite feeling it from far away (even if that was suppressed Freeza, he was clearly a cut above his henchmen).

 

[Ryuzaki]

" Lol you're not even trying to make sense. "

You're not without knowing that I really don't like it when people think too high of their opinion, and I'm certainly not the only one. I've changed my mind, but you really should fix it.

@Kenshi : It's pretty clear that with the Kaioken, Vegeta doesn't stand a chance. But if we consider that Vegeta was still holding back until his fight against Frieza, Goku might not win until he uses a KKx6. As far as my memory goes, he stated that he can use the Kaioken up to 10, which would give him the power to fight a bit against 2nd form Frieza (initial).

 

[kriss-]

Jeice explained to Ginyu what had happened and Ginyu determined that Goku only need a battle power of 60,000 to replicate his feats.

Chi sensing doesn't hold precedence in this particular scenario, and doesn't need to.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd rather lean toward Vegeta getting an asspull power boost right before fighting Freeza if there was ever a statement saying Vegeta was suddenly ten times stronger than he was an hour ago. It's not an invalid opinion, but he feels confident against first form Freeza whose battle power is 530,000 despite literally doing nothing since he killed Jheese so I lean toward this viewpoint more.

@Kenshi : It's pretty clear that with the Kaioken, Vegeta doesn't stand a chance. But if we consider that Vegeta was still holding back until his fight against Frieza, Goku might not win until he uses a KKx6. As far as my memory goes, he stated that he can use the Kaioken up to 10, which would give him the power to fight a bit against 2nd form Frieza (initial).

Well what you have to remember is that even after experiencing another zenkai, Goku's body could only take a 10x boost and was badly damaged when he raised it to 20x. He could probably use the 10-fold Kaioken, but I don't think he could use it any longer than a second (which fits in with him telling Ginyu he can raise his power way further in a burst).

 

[ahill1]

I'd rather lean toward Vegeta getting an asspull power boost right before fighting Freeza if there was ever a statement saying Vegeta was suddenly ten times stronger than he was an hour ago. It's not an invalid opinion, but he feels confident against first form Freeza whose battle power is 530,000 despite literally doing nothing since he killed Jheese so I lean toward this viewpoint more.

Well, Kuririn said that Vegeta developed his new strength; In addition when Vegeta was immediately cured by senzu, he didn't have a power greater than that of Goku (Vs Ginyus) = 60,000, but against Jheese he had a power > 180.000, so he increased his power without do anything.

 

[Ryuzaki]

Hum...you seem to be a pretty skilled debater, @Kenshi. What is your username in others forums (DB's type) ?

 

[Papasmurf]

I usually go by Kenshi, but I haven't been debating DBZ too much in recent years. Mostly doing so on this forum to kill time this weekend.

 

[Ryuzaki]

I see. Another question : is this a coincidence that Mike, p123 and you have all the same avatar ?

 

[Papasmurf]

SuperSaiyan2 just changed our avatars to P123's batman one and I've been too lazy to change it back.

 

[ahill1]

Hum...you seem to be a pretty skilled debater, @Kenshi. What is your username in others forums (DB's type) ?

You're right; Kenshi is the best debater I've ever seen; Kenshi and p123. Kenshi's arguments are very good. I also thought that Goku (Vs Ginyus) > Vegeta (Vs Jheese), but Kenshi changed my mind, he is the best lol.

I wanted him to be part of the neoseeker.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

To those who say Vegeta>Goku because Ginyu was confident: Ginyu tried to take Vegeta's body, because, at
that point, it was the best choice he had. Sure his chances would increase, since he'd get rid of his crippled,
purple body and not have to face Vegeta along with Krillin and Gohan.

 

[ahill1]

SuperSaiyan2 just changed our avatars to P123's batman one and I've been too lazy to change it back.

Kenshi, just one question: why Vegeta was so afraid of Goku's powers (Vs. Ginyus)? And why was he trying to get Goku and Ginyu murdered each other if he were much stronger than Captain Ginyu?? Doesn't make much sense.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta says that he's only just realized how great his powers are when he fights Jheese.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta says that he's only just realized how great his powers are when he fights Jheese.

So Vegeta (vs jheese) > Goku Kaioken (180,000) > Ginyu > Goku (base) > Goku (vs ginyus) > Vegeta (post zenkai initial)

Vegeta(vs jheese) 250,000
Goku Kaioken 180,000
Ginyu 120,000
Goku (base) 90,000
Goku (vs ginyus) 64,000
Vegeta(post zenkai initial) 50,000

Something like this?

 

[Lightsworn]

Goku took out Butta faster than Vegeta did Jheese. So I don't think Vegeta can win yet.

 

[ahill1]

Goku tom out Butta faster than Vegeta did Jheese. So I don't think Vegeta can win yet.

Kenshi disagree.

 

[Lightsworn]

Okay...that's cool.

 

[kriss-]

Burtur is way faster than Jeice. It would be much harder to speed blitz him than Jeice.

This particular Vegeta is over-rated.

 

[Ryuzaki]

Burtur is way faster than Jeice. It would be much harder to speed blitz him than Jeice.

This particular Vegeta is over-rated.

Kenshi actually had arguments to support his opinion. Way faster than Jeice ? Assumption. From what I saw in the battle, he didn't seemed to be that fast compared to him.

 

[kriss-]

Ginyu: Too bad Burtur is the fastest in the Universe.

Jeice: To think he'd circle around Burtur.

Jeice is shocked someone is faster than Burtur.