Vegeta's Gyarikku Ho

[Evil Vegeta]

Do you believe this was a technique Vegeta utilized a lot in the yrs prior to the Saiyan saga? I ask because it seems like a destructive technique he'd only use in situations where he was pushed to the limit. I never really got the impression he had many of those battles prior to Earth. The sight of his own blood even made him go crazy, though I suppose you could say that was because a low-level Saiyan did that. I dunno. That can go either way.

It just doesn't seem like a go to technique like, say, Nappa's finger explosion thingy. Most of Vegeta's past is a mystery, so there's no way to know.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don't think so. Garlic Gun was a pretty powerful technique, so i doubt he'd use it a lot. I even doubt he had many tough battles. Nappa probably had, but Vegeta is unlikely IMO.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

That's basically what I think. It doesn't seem like something he'd really do unless he really had no choice. I can't imagine him being pushed like he was by Kaio-Ken x3 Goku.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Do you think he could have actually blown the planet with it?

 

[ahill1]

I agree, I don't think he has been pushed to his limits like in the battle on Earth, but I wouldn't discard this possibility considering that, iirc, there's a line from Freeza which implies he has also used his 2nd form on some former enemy.

Maybe he didn't use it in battle constantly, but it's pretty likely he used it while training, as I'd assume he'd do some training besides ceaselessly fighting, otherwise it'd also be pretty doubtful his Gyarikku Ho would be on par with Goku's KMHMH. Maybe he has developed this technique when training alone as a "secret weapon" or something like this.

If we take Bardock movie's as an indication of Vegeta's fater BP, kid Vegeta would be already considerably above 10,000, so it doesn't seem like Vegeta has gotten so strong since he was a child, based on this. So yeah, I don't think he has been pushed this far before and had just used such technique when training.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I dunno if he was stronger than his father by the time Freeza destroyed Vegeta. Vegeta's statement was pretty vague.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta stated he was stronger than his father as a Kid when Freeza was "bragging about" defeating the King without the need to transform.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I know. I just don't think he needs to be that strong that early on his life. I'd rather have Vegeta Sr > 6 year old Vegeta than assume Vegeta's power growth on his life was so low from his early childhood to his adulthood.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Back on the Garlic Gun issue, it's actually shown in Super it's a common technique among Saiyans. It's actually possible he used it without amplifing as much as he did against Goku, but i still doubt it as he's been really strong since his days as a kid. Nappa's pretty much a powerhouse in the universe, and i think Vegeta actually surpassed Nappa really early.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta didn't specify the age... he just said his kid self had already surpassed his father, whatever his age was. He might have been 6 years, 8 years, 10 years... I wouldn't know. Like I said, you might not consider the movie as canon, so you could say Vegeta's father was like less than 10,000 (but he still should probably be stronger than Nappa, considering he was the King, and Vegeta surpassed him because he was a prodigy master).

 

[Jeff Styles]

I doubt Vegeta has to uses a lot of techniques prior to Earth. Based on the events on Earth, Nappa seems to do most of the heavy lifting while Vegeta watch on and maybe kill some with that finger blast thing he did to one of the Saibamen.

 

[ahill1]

Maybe they allow the Saibaimans to do the dirty work. BTW, do someone remember Raditz stating they found out a planet, but since there were too many foes and that they were strong it'd be an exhausting battle, so he went there to get Goku? Also, Vegeta ought to have turned into Oozaru some times as well, considering Vegeta stated that he chose a time where there would be full moon so he could exterminate the Earthlings faster, iirc.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Vegeta and Nappa using them to test the Z Warriors's power.

Raditz was either lying or Toriyama retcon Vegeta and Nappa's power since a Saiyan with a power level of 416 won't help make the difference.

 

[Future Warrior]

Vegeta didn't specify the age... he just said his kid self had already surpassed his father, whatever his age was. He might have been 6 years, 8 years, 10 years... I wouldn't know. Like I said, you might not consider the movie as canon, so you could say Vegeta's father was like less than 10,000 (but he still should probably be stronger than Nappa, considering he was the King, and Vegeta surpassed him because he was a prodigy master).

Vegeta also says Goku can never surpass an elite warrior which King Vegeta likely was, so we know his father is above 8,000 at least.

 

[ahill1]

@Jeff Styles Yeah, but Raditz mentioned something about Kakarotto's power being still incomplete or some shit, so it's possible they'd give him some training (at least Raditz) or help him to build up his strength.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta didn't specify the age... he just said his kid self had already surpassed his father, whatever his age was. He might have been 6 years, 8 years, 10 years... I wouldn't know. Like I said, you might not consider the movie as canon, so you could say Vegeta's father was like less than 10,000 (but he still should probably be stronger than Nappa, considering he was the King, and Vegeta surpassed him because he was a prodigy master).

Vegeta also says Goku can never surpass an elite warrior which King Vegeta likely was, so we know his father is above 8,000 at least.

Wasn't Nappa an elite warrior as well?

 

[Jeff Styles]

I think Nappa was the general of the Saiyan army, so...

 

[Future Warrior]

Vegeta didn't specify the age... he just said his kid self had already surpassed his father, whatever his age was. He might have been 6 years, 8 years, 10 years... I wouldn't know. Like I said, you might not consider the movie as canon, so you could say Vegeta's father was like less than 10,000 (but he still should probably be stronger than Nappa, considering he was the King, and Vegeta surpassed him because he was a prodigy master).

Vegeta also says Goku can never surpass an elite warrior which King Vegeta likely was, so we know his father is above 8,000 at least.

Wasn't Nappa an elite warrior as well?

According to Toriyama there's Low-class, Mid-class (only about 10 of them), and elites (Vegeta's family I guess). They seem to be just a renaming of the original hierarchy which was Low-class, elites, and super elites. Nappa likely fits into Mid-class/Elites and Vegeta was talking about super elites.

 

[ahill1]

Nappa referred to himself as an elite warrior here, though:

Spoiler

 

[Future Warrior]

Like I said... Low-class, Middle-class/Elites, (Super) elites. Different name, same meaning.