Was Crocodile too weak?

[Fantastische Hure]

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He was weaker than StrawHatCrew.

 

[Future Warrior]

If a 20M bounty pirate has better showings of raw strength than you do, then you should really rethink your position as a Shichibukai.

 

[Papasmurf]

In fairness that's a better showing than Boo arc base Goku not being able to move with 10 tons on each limb

 

[Symbiote]

Fishmen are physically stronger than humans. Why would a logia worry about physical strength anyway

 

[Papasmurf]

Pr sure the relevant members of the CP9 crew have better strength feats than Arlong

 

[Future Warrior]

Why would a logia worry about physical strength anyway

You're absolutely right, because it's not like Croc and Enel got completely destroyed once their DF abilities proved inefficient.

In fairness that's a better showing than Boo arc base Goku not being able to move with 10 tons on each limb

It's actually pretty consistent imo. Zoro at Alabasta lifted a whole building, which already paints a picture on Arlong being nothing at this point.

 

[ahill1]

Every relevant member of the CP9 should easily smash Arlong 1v1, yeah.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why would a logia worry about physical strength anyway

You're absolutely right, because it's not like Croc and Enel got completely destroyed once their DF abilities proved inefficient.

In fairness that's a better showing than Boo arc base Goku not being able to move with 10 tons on each limb

It's actually pretty consistent imo. Zoro at Alabasta lifted a whole building, which already paints a picture on Arlong being nothing at this point.

 

[SSJ2]

If a 20M bounty pirate has better showings of raw strength than you do, then you should really rethink your position as a Shichibukai.
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Do we have reason to believe that Crocodile couldn't do this though?

 

[Future Warrior]

If a 20M bounty pirate has better showings of raw strength than you do, then you should really rethink your position as a Shichibukai.
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Do we have reason to believe that Crocodile couldn't do this though?

He possibly can but considering how useless he is without his Logia, you can't blame me for questioning it.

 

[Symbiote]

Why would a logia worry about physical strength anyway

You're absolutely right, because it's not like Croc and Enel got completely destroyed once their DF abilities proved inefficient.

It wouldn’t have made a difference anyway.

 

[SSJ2]

If a 20M bounty pirate has better showings of raw strength than you do, then you should really rethink your position as a Shichibukai.
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Do we have reason to believe that Crocodile couldn't do this though?

He possibly can but considering how useless he is without his Logia, you can't blame me for questioning it.

Yea I don't remember him doing anything extraordinary physically. Once I finish Alabasta in my reread I'll have a better idea, but I'd say he should be capable of it due to scaling.

 

[Future Warrior]

It wouldn’t have made a difference anyway.

What I've noticed in my reading so far is that guys like Croc and Enel are ''strong'' because they have extremely powerful DF abilities, but their natural abilities are nothing to write home about. My issue with Croc is that he's a veteran pirate that's good enough to be a Shichibukai, but as long as you have some liquid on your hands than you're good to go.

I don't actually have a problem with Croc being weaker than Luffy in that regard since raw strength isn't everything, it's just extremely disrespectful that he had lost against him in a 1v1 battle. Not to mention Croc turned full retard and not at least try to absorb the blood off of Luffy's body.

 

[Future Warrior]

Do we have reason to believe that Crocodile couldn't do this though?

He possibly can but considering how useless he is without his Logia, you can't blame me for questioning it.

Yea I don't remember him doing anything extraordinary physically. Once I finish Alabasta in my reread I'll have a better idea, but I'd say he should be capable of it due to scaling.

I honestly just can't imagine a fruitless Crocodile (without his poison hook) beating Arlong very easily. I will say though that he he has surprisingly far greater durability than the latter with how many attacks he took from a serious Luffy.

 

[SSJ2]

I think the problem in that way of thinking is that Crocodile had no reason to display his physical power when he was a logia fruit user. The best attacks he can produce would naturally come from his fruit, so it wouldn't make much sense for him to get into a hand to hand brawl with Luffy. I think what you pointed out about his durability is reason enough for him being able to beat Arlong in a physical fight.

 

[Papasmurf]

Not to mention that Luffy has been through various fights in Whiskey Peak, Little Garden and Drum Island even before coming to Alabasta, so he'd naturally be stronger than he was when he beat Arlong. Luffy also had far greater difficulty beating Crocodile even when blood solidified his body compared to how he beat Arlong fairly quickly. Not only that, but Luffy nearly died against Crocodile twice even before the final battle and would've likely gotten stronger from those experiences as well.

 

[Future Warrior]

I think the problem in that way of thinking is that Crocodile had no reason to display his physical power when he was a logia fruit user. The best attacks he can produce would naturally come from his fruit, so it wouldn't make much sense for him to get into a hand to hand brawl with Luffy. I think what you pointed out about his durability is reason enough for him being able to beat Arlong in a physical fight.

You know man, I'm probably looking at this the wrong way. I think it depends on how you define ''strength'' in One Piece. The thing with Luffy is that while his rubber properties are a huge asset in combat, it wouldn't be nearly as effective as it is if he didn't train to hone his natural strength to accompany his DF abilities. Logias are different in that they are extremely powerful by only honing their DF abilities without training their body and are essentially godlike. In which case, 10/10 times Croc would beat Luffy in a fight provided the latter in unaware of his weakness.

So I guess I've been wrong this whole time, and that Croc really does deserve his mantle of Warlord. I'm retarded. But still, why the fuck didn't Croc just absorb the blood off of Luffy during the 3rd round?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

but wasn't luffy tired i think? he was so tired & beaten-up that he even fell asleep/unconscious for some-time before he made that to the final fight against crocodile

 

[SSJ2]

I think the problem in that way of thinking is that Crocodile had no reason to display his physical power when he was a logia fruit user. The best attacks he can produce would naturally come from his fruit, so it wouldn't make much sense for him to get into a hand to hand brawl with Luffy. I think what you pointed out about his durability is reason enough for him being able to beat Arlong in a physical fight.

You know man, I'm probably looking at this the wrong way. I think it depends on how you define ''strength'' in One Piece. The thing with Luffy is that while his rubber properties are a huge asset in combat, it wouldn't be nearly as effective as it is if he didn't train to hone his natural strength to accompany his DF abilities. Logias are different in that they are extremely powerful by only honing their DF abilities without training their body and are essentially godlike. In which case, 10/10 times Croc would beat Luffy in a fight provided the latter in unaware of his weakness.

So I guess I've been wrong this whole time, and that Croc really does deserve his mantle of Warlord. I'm retarded. But still, why the fuck didn't Croc just absorb the blood off of Luffy during the 3rd round?

Nah it's a reasonable take when comparing feats directly. OP power scaling is much tougher to figure out due to the amount of factors that go into every fight. You'll see later on that logias also require physical strength as their abilities can be nullified, so power scaling in part 2 is much easier to understand from that alone. In part 1 it's kind of a mess due to clashing abilities and lack of explanations.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

With this whole comparison between Crocodile and Arlong, the main difference is that Crocodile never needed to lift a building or anything of the sort. Also, Crocodile survived Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Storm which wrecked a sizeable portion of Alubarna and multiple buildings, which is far more impressive than building level feats.