Was SSJ Blue introduced too soon?

[Future Warrior]

I think SSJ God should have had more time in the spotlight, at least for a few more arcs.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Well no but actually yes. Going by the movies and the first arcs of the anime, it seemed liked SSJG dissolved itself into part of Goku's power and would never be seen again, and SSJB is what happens when a SSJ God-like Saiyan goes Super Saiyan. I could get behind that, but the writers definitely went back on this since Goku is seen using SSJG in the ToP and vs Broly.

In the manga it's a bit different. Goku never got to absorb SSJG into his mortal form and used SSJG more often. In this case it was definitely introduced too soon. Only confuses things and makes it a redudant powe; why couldn't SSJB have been saved to appear in the ToP instead of UI instead? Or maybe even the Black Arc if Toyotaro; stacking golden SSJ on top of SSJG (A lá stacking Kaio-Ken onto SSJ) is much easier to believe than having Goku master a form but still struggle with it's burden over the body.

But as far as creative decisions go, we all know they just painted Goku's hair as an excuse to explain a power up that absolutely wasn't needed, since the one guy SSJG "rivaled" remains unrivaled.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

As GSM said, all those involved seemed at odds about how to treat SSG after the fight with Beerus. Even the initial idea of Goku having absorbed it into his SSJ forms didn't seem set in stone with Toriyama talking in interviews about how Goku would train to increase the power of his base and SSJ forms (implying his SSJ self reaching close to his SSG level was temporary).

All that said though, I don't think SSB should've been introduced whatsoever. All it has beyond giving SSJ a hair dye is a stamina issue to make it stand out in the manga (something completely against Toriyama's initial intent of it representing calm and control ) and isn't used for any genuine resolution in the plot at all, making it as pointless as SS3 ended up being. It would've been far better to have either never introduced it and have SSG remain Goku's peak form or for it to have been what Ultra Instinct ended up being as the mastery of a godly power.

 

[Future Warrior]

All that said though, I don't think SSB should've been introduced whatsoever. All it has beyond giving SSJ a hair dye is a stamina issue to make it stand out in the manga (something completely against Toriyama's initial intent of it representing calm and control ) and isn't used for any genuine resolution in the plot at all, making it as pointless as SS3 ended up being. It would've been far better to have either never introduced it and have SSG remain Goku's peak form or for it to have been what Ultra Instinct ended up being as the mastery of a godly power.

Which is why we're discussing on how we can better incorporate it into the series with better usage. If SSJ Blue was instead introduced during the U6 arc by replacing the Kaio-Ken scene, then it would make for a far better alternative than what ended up happening.

 

[Papasmurf]

If it really had to be introduced, it ought to have been after the 3-year training Galu and Vegeta did in the Rosat in the U6 arc. I'd have preferred that it never have been introduced in the first place though, since it just cheapens the SSJ God form and has the laziest design of any transformation in the series.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'd have preferred that it never have been introduced in the first place though, since it just cheapens the SSJ God form and has the laziest design of any transformation in the series.

Any new transformation that would get introduced would overshadow God regardless of when it occurs. The same thing pretty much happened with SSJ1.

 

[Papasmurf]

SSJG was overshadowed immediately after its introduction because of the SSJB form being introduced in the arc right after it. In the anime it didn't even reappear until the ToP arc. GT did imply there could be a form above SSJ4 but the first (and only) hint of it was in the Evil Dragons arc, two whole arcs after the Baby arc.

 

[Future Warrior]

You said you believed it never should have been introduced in the first place, and stated that it would overshadow God. So I assumed you meant to say Blue should never have been created because of the idea that it is stronger than God.

 

[Papasmurf]

It's stronger than God, but still weaker than Golden Freeza in their debut appearance. It's overall a pointless form that overshadowed God far too quickly.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I'd have preferred that it never have been introduced in the first place though, since it just cheapens the SSJ God form and has the laziest design of any transformation in the series.

Any new transformation that would get introduced would overshadow God regardless of when it occurs. The same thing pretty much happened with SSJ1.

At least surpassing SSJ1 actually had it's own arc for it, rather than happening it all off screen and still failing to defeat a single enemy.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'd have preferred that it never have been introduced in the first place though, since it just cheapens the SSJ God form and has the laziest design of any transformation in the series.

Any new transformation that would get introduced would overshadow God regardless of when it occurs. The same thing pretty much happened with SSJ1.

At least surpassing SSJ1 actually had it's own arc for it, rather than happening it all off screen and still failing to defeat a single enemy.

I don't disagree with you my friend.