Were Android 19-20 > Freeza?

[GreatSaiyaman123]

For everybody saying 19/20 can't one shot Freeza:

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DBZ fascism ftw

 

[withheldforprivacy]

He actually said he couldn't fight on Mecha Arc, and later on the Androids Arc he says he can go toe to toe with one of them.

He mentioned them being two as a factor.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Most people assume Trunks had a change in opinion because he encountered the Androids again and had a better fight compared to the initial one.

Trunks intends to survive and make his return to fight alongside Goku and the others in 3 yrs. The idea of him challenging the Androids again after barely escaping his last fight with them seems pretty odd.

 

[freezamite]

The Z Fighters could actually estimate their powers trought movements and nobody noticed they were the wrong Androids. Vegeta even said this:

Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”

However, he didn't consider them a total joke like Freeza would be on this point.

What kind of joke has between 3 and 4 times more power than the strongest z-warriors out there? Lol

Both 19 and 20 were much, much below an untrained SSJ, and none of the untrained SSJ could compare to Freezer in the slightest. It's not even a question.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The Z Fighters could actually estimate their powers trought movements and nobody noticed they were the wrong Androids. Vegeta even said this:

Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”

However, he didn't consider them a total joke like Freeza would be on this point.

What kind of joke has between 3 and 4 times more power than the strongest z-warriors out there? Lol

Both 19 and 20 were much, much below an untrained SSJ, and none of the untrained SSJ could compare to Freezer in the slightest. It's not even a question.

To avoid going off topic, how you think 19 and 20 would stand against the FP Freeza SSjin Goku fought?

 

[Pyro]

Most people assume Trunks had a change in opinion because he encountered the Androids again and had a better fight compared to the initial one.

Trunks intends to survive and make his return to fight alongside Goku and the others in 3 yrs. The idea of him challenging the Androids again after barely escaping his last fight with them seems pretty odd.

Unless he got stronger.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I get that, but I think there's a lot more going against the idea.

Trunks said he wanted to see Goku fight the Androids to see if he could learn a weakness from it, or in a more extreme case, bring Goku back to the future to handle the Androids. Trunks recklessly fighting the Androids after nearly getting killed just makes next to no sense. Not when surviving and returning to the past is his main priority in stopping the Androids.

If he did, then the sequence would go like this: Trunks doesn't think he needs to study them in the past because he thinks he can handle them-->Barely survives and realizes studying them in the past is the most important task-->Sees Goku and has newfound hope that his world can be changed-->Decide to confront the Androids again even though that defeats the purpose of trying to study them in the past

I dunno. With the way Trunks was keen on fighting as a group or destroying the Androids before awakening, I kinda doubt he'd be stupid enough to challenge them again.

 

[Future Warrior]

Maybe it was an accidental confrontation.

 

[ahill1]

I get that, but I think there's a lot more going against the idea.

Trunks said he wanted to see Goku fight the Androids to see if he could learn a weakness from it, or in a more extreme case, bring Goku back to the future to handle the Androids. Trunks recklessly fighting the Androids after nearly getting killed just makes next to no sense. Not when surviving and returning to the past is his main priority in stopping the Androids.

If he did, then the sequence would go like this: Trunks doesn't think he needs to study them in the past because he thinks he can handle them-->Barely survives and realizes studying them in the past is the most important task-->Sees Goku and has newfound hope that his world can be changed-->Decide to confront the Androids again even though that defeats the purpose of trying to study them in the past

I dunno. With the way Trunks was keen on fighting as a group or destroying the Androids before awakening, I kinda doubt he'd be stupid enough to challenge them again.

I like what Kenshi has mentioned before in another topic, where Trunks ended up fighting them again to help some few survivors escape.

Maybe, like you said, he didn't fight them, but he knew his own powers in the Androids saga and was aware on how said power stacked to them future androids, allowing him to come to the conclusion that had they actually fought, it'd be a decent fight.

OT: these androids make short work of Freeza even before absorptions, imo.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I get that, but I think there's a lot more going against the idea.

Trunks said he wanted to see Goku fight the Androids to see if he could learn a weakness from it, or in a more extreme case, bring Goku back to the future to handle the Androids. Trunks recklessly fighting the Androids after nearly getting killed just makes next to no sense. Not when surviving and returning to the past is his main priority in stopping the Androids.

If he did, then the sequence would go like this: Trunks doesn't think he needs to study them in the past because he thinks he can handle them-->Barely survives and realizes studying them in the past is the most important task-->Sees Goku and has newfound hope that his world can be changed-->Decide to confront the Androids again even though that defeats the purpose of trying to study them in the past

I dunno. With the way Trunks was keen on fighting as a group or destroying the Androids before awakening, I kinda doubt he'd be stupid enough to challenge them again.

I'd say they crossed his way before he returned to the past, or he fought them to help some citizens.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Trunks coming across them randomly makes more sense to me than him intentionally attacking them with so much on the line. Helping citizens is reasonable, but I see that scenario along the lines of him creating a quick diversion than actually fighting them directly.

From the Trunks chapter to his 2nd return to the present, nothing ever gave me the impression that he fought the Androids again. Everything seemed to indicate he avoided them so he could travel to the past to fight with everyone. I also feel like something that significant would've at least been noted.

 

[Pyro]

Yeah, that makes more sense, I agree. It would seem odd of Trunks to attempt to fight the androids again after the first time he got raped when he got too confident in himself.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I think what changed (I had thought he fought the Androids after going back for awhile as well) my opinion was the possibility of Trunks merely putting things into perspective. He said he could barely hold his own against a single Android and later told everyone that being a Super Saiyan didn't make a difference against them, either.

I can see how one would assume Trunks going from barely being able to fight one to being able to hold his own against 2 would imply another battle took place afterwards. Otherwise, he'd just look like a confused guy making varying statements.

The way I see it, the drastic difference between the Androids allowed Trunks to put things into perspective. Yeah, he got his ass kicked by the Future Androids, but in retrospect, his effort against them was a lot better than it was against these more powerful ones. He wasn't knocked the fuck out in 2 attacks against his Androids, and I'm guessing he probably got some attacks in. That's already much better.

 

[freezamite]

The Z Fighters could actually estimate their powers trought movements and nobody noticed they were the wrong Androids. Vegeta even said this:

However, he didn't consider them a total joke like Freeza would be on this point.

What kind of joke has between 3 and 4 times more power than the strongest z-warriors out there? Lol

Both 19 and 20 were much, much below an untrained SSJ, and none of the untrained SSJ could compare to Freezer in the slightest. It's not even a question.

To avoid going off topic, how you think 19 and 20 would stand against the FP Freeza SSjin Goku fought?

19 was much, much weaker than 20. I have him at around 1.5 millions of units more or less, a bit above half the power of Namek Goku SSJ (in other words, he would be no match for them).
20 is a different beast. He probably is closer to the PL of Namek Goku SSJ than 19, but still considerably weaker (I would say Piccolo was very close to Namek Goku SSJ level when they fought 19 and 20), so it would depend on if he could absorb enough energy from SSJ Namek Goku before he could react.
Now injured Freezer in Namek had a tad more power than SSJ Namek Goku but the stamina problems going against him, so it would depend on how he fought. If going at full force and trying to kill them ASAP, that would be a clear win for Freezer. If he got any cocky and got his energy absorbed, he could have some problems against 20.

 

[Zippy]

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