What do you think about my Buu Saga gaps?

[Kyo]

Piccolo asked “ayo couldn’t you have won if you went all out” and Goku went “nah prolly not” and then Piccolo went “that’s cap bruh don’t fuck with me” and then Goku was like “weeellllllll…”

 

[FeatsofPower]

Piccolo asked “ayo couldn’t you have won if you went all out” and Goku went “nah prolly not” and then Piccolo went “that’s cap bruh don’t fuck with me” and then Goku was like “weeellllllll…”

Exactly.

 

[Hector]

Pre-Rosat Gotenks.

Why not Post ROSAT? It is obvious that the kids got the most out of the fusion multiplier only after training in the ROSAT.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Why not Post ROSAT? It is obvious that the kids got the most out of the fusion multiplier only after training in the ROSAT.

Because Goku specifically told them not to go in the Rosat because it wasn’t necessary to defeat Buu and they could definitely defeat Buu without the Rosat.

 

[Hector]

Because Goku specifically told them not to go in the Rosat because it wasn’t necessary to defeat Buu and they could definitely defeat Buu without the Rosat.

But still, he expected them to train a little and perfect the fusion multiplier, which was done in the ROSAT.

 

[FeatsofPower]

But still, he expected them to train a little and perfect the fusion multiplier, which was done in the ROSAT.

They fused perfectly as Super Saiyans the first time and achieved a power beyond Goku.

 

[Hector]

They fused perfectly as Super Saiyans the first time and achieved a power beyond Goku.

No. Piccolo implied they could increase the multiplier if they trained a little, which is probably what Goku expected them to do.

 

[FeatsofPower]

No. Piccolo implied they could increase the multiplier if they trained a little, which is probably what Goku expected them to do.

No, he’s just saying getting stronger as individuals will carry over into their fusion. The multiplier never changes.

 

[Goku9001]

Goku says that he thinks Goten and Trunks will win just by performing fusion successfully.

Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two [Goten and Trunks], if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat [Boo] within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”

Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”

That would suggest that as long as they fuse successfully, they will win. No other criteria are required.

 

[FeatsofPower]

That would suggest that as long as they fuse successfully, they will win. No other criteria are required.

Exactly, the gamble never included Gotenks overwhelming power.

 

[Hector]

No, he’s just saying getting stronger as individuals will carry over into their fusion. The multiplier never changes.

He said that small individual gains result in large fusion gains. If the multiplier remained the same, then the fusion would get exactly the same gains as the individuals, so Piccolo's statement wouldn't make sense.

 

[FeatsofPower]

He said that small individual gains result in large fusion gains. I

I doubt it. How would he know?

 

[FeatsofPower]

If the multiplier remained the same, then the fusion would get exactly the same gains as the individuals, so Piccolo's statement wouldn't make sense.

That’s what I think. It’s tens of times not millions of times.

 

[Hector]

That’s what I think. It’s tens of times not millions of times.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying or where we disagree anymore.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying or where we disagree anymore.

Show me how your exponential fusion multiplier works.
Pre Rosat Gotenks boost
Post Gotenks boost
Vegetto boost

Show me the exponential boost numerically

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

 

[FeatsofPower]

Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

Yeah I don’t think that means anything major. Just that stronger fighters make stronger fusions. I don’t think it’s the key to the exponential formula or anything.

 

[Hector]

Yeah I don’t think that means anything major. Just that stronger fighters make stronger fusions. I don’t think it’s the key to the exponential formula or anything.

I'm pretty sure that implies that little gains for individuals result in large gains for fusion, which means the multiplier increases.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I'm pretty sure that implies that little gains for individuals result in large gains for fusion, which means the multiplier increases.

I used to think so too, but knowing Toriyama, he just means the most simplest of things, such that individuals getting stronger lead to stronger fusions.

 

[Hector]

I used to think so too, but knowing Toriyama, he just means the most simplest of things, such that individuals getting stronger lead to stronger fusions.

Do you think the kids became so much stronger in their base forms in one week as for Base Gotenks post to be stronger than SSJ Gotenks pre?