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When he reached the top of Korin's tower for the first time, there was a large pot full
of senzus. So, if Kid Goku had known about zenkais, he'd have seen this as a chance
to abuse the hell out of them. If he had asked Korin to repeatedly beat him to near
death and heal him with the senzus, how far would he have gotten?
Personally, i believe that, at that point, Goku's current potential was what was brought
out when he drank the Holy Water, so, once he reached his KP Saga power, he wouldn't
be able to become any stronger with plain training or zenkai abuse; he'd need something
special, like Kami's training (likewise, i think BOZ Goku couldn't get any further without
the special King Kai's training). If my theory is right, Goku would have ended the saga
easily, won 22nd TB like nothing (Tenshinhan remains a villain) and destroyed King
Piccolo before he could do anything. Krillin is the only victim, but he gets revived
by dragonballs.
What about 23rd TB? After winning 22nd by a wide margin, and without Piccolo Jr,
does Goku have any reason to participate? I don't think he has, so he does not meet
Chichi, keeps living as a hermit and falls to Raditz 5 years after that.
Now, if he does participate in 23rd and meets Chichi, hard to say how strong Gohan
is. With Goku being weaker during Gohan's conception (since he hasn't trained under
Kami), Gohan should logically be weaker too (the stronger the Saiyan parent during
conception, the stronger the halfling). But, even if Gohan has the same power as in
canon, without Piccolo, Raditz still wins most likely, so Freeza's empire continues.
There's another fun case though. Goku being really able to abuse zenkais till he
reaches his Freeza Saga level! In that case, he ends RR/22nd TB/KP sagas so easily
that it's not even funny. Also, he transforms into SSJ at 22nd, after Tambourine kills
Krillin.
When Raditz arrives, Goku's PL breaks his scouter. Raditz trembles in fear, realizing
he has to deal with the legendary Super Saiyan. Goku gives him a chance to leave.
Raditz does so and goes to warn Nappa and Vegeta that he has found the Saiyan of the
legends. How does Vegeta react? Is he just jealous? Or does he see this as a chance for
the lost Saiyans to be avenged? In the second case, he could even go to Earth, tell
Goku the whole story with Saiyans and Freeza and deliver a speech similar to his death
speech on Namek (''please kill Freeza, Freeza must die by a Saiyan's hand blah blah blah'').
Goku does not intend to kill Freeza, but decides to go teach him a lesson.
On Planet Freeza, an epic battle between SSJ Goku and Freeza takes place (Goku has
allowed him to reach 100%). Freeza naturally gets stubborn till Goku is forced to cut him
into two and blast him. Dunno if, before that, Freeza has tried to destroy his own planet
to take Goku with him, but, if that's the case, Goku and the three other Saiyans escape
before the planet explodes.
Vegeta recommends that Goku takes Freeza's place as the ruler of the galaxy. Goku denies
at first, but, when he hears about the atrocities of the Frost Demons, he decides to accept
and release the universe from their tyranny. Eventually, he faces Mecha Freeza and King
Cold and kills them both. A new Saiyan empire replaces that of the frost demon, Goku being
the emperor and giving important positions to Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz. Vegeta is still a little
disappointed for not being the leader, but i guess he prefers taking orders from a Saiyan (let
alone the legendary Super Saiyan that avenged his people) than from Freeza. All in all, in this
story, a different relationship would have developped between them; Vegeta would deeply
respect Goku and acknowledge him as the worthy leader of Saiyans, like he acknowledged King
Vegeta when he was a kid. Also, i don't think Goku gets the virus in this story (i theorize that,
in canon, he got it while in the hospital).
Over the following years, Vegeta trains hard, most likely abuses zenkais like Goku did, and
becomes SSJ. Alas, Goku now has a good sparring partner, so, by Androids Saga, it is very
likely that both Goku and Vegeta are stronger than in canon. If we go by common sense,
Nappa and Raditz have become stronger too, but they're still irrelevant (of course, if that
story was commercialized, they'd be haxed to SSJ level too, but, here, let's go by common
sense). I don't know whether a Gohan exists (did Goku take part in 23rd and meet Chichi?),
but, if he exists, he never had to fight, so he's a scholar on Earth and does not affect the
story (Chichi would be so happy in that universe).
Androids show up and get beaten after a hard fight (Goku fights Seventeen, Vegeta fights
Eighteen). Their infinite stamina makes them tough opponents, but the two Saiyans have
good enough a power advantage to win tenaciously.
By the time Babidi shows up, i'm sure both Goku and Vegeta have seen beyond SSJ state,
so Dabura is beaten.
The only thing i can't decide is whether there is a Trunks. Vegeta could meet Bulma during
one of their stops on Earth, so there is a chance Trunks is born.
of senzus. So, if Kid Goku had known about zenkais, he'd have seen this as a chance
to abuse the hell out of them. If he had asked Korin to repeatedly beat him to near
death and heal him with the senzus, how far would he have gotten?
Personally, i believe that, at that point, Goku's current potential was what was brought
out when he drank the Holy Water, so, once he reached his KP Saga power, he wouldn't
be able to become any stronger with plain training or zenkai abuse; he'd need something
special, like Kami's training (likewise, i think BOZ Goku couldn't get any further without
the special King Kai's training). If my theory is right, Goku would have ended the saga
easily, won 22nd TB like nothing (Tenshinhan remains a villain) and destroyed King
Piccolo before he could do anything. Krillin is the only victim, but he gets revived
by dragonballs.
What about 23rd TB? After winning 22nd by a wide margin, and without Piccolo Jr,
does Goku have any reason to participate? I don't think he has, so he does not meet
Chichi, keeps living as a hermit and falls to Raditz 5 years after that.
Now, if he does participate in 23rd and meets Chichi, hard to say how strong Gohan
is. With Goku being weaker during Gohan's conception (since he hasn't trained under
Kami), Gohan should logically be weaker too (the stronger the Saiyan parent during
conception, the stronger the halfling). But, even if Gohan has the same power as in
canon, without Piccolo, Raditz still wins most likely, so Freeza's empire continues.
There's another fun case though. Goku being really able to abuse zenkais till he
reaches his Freeza Saga level! In that case, he ends RR/22nd TB/KP sagas so easily
that it's not even funny. Also, he transforms into SSJ at 22nd, after Tambourine kills
Krillin.
When Raditz arrives, Goku's PL breaks his scouter. Raditz trembles in fear, realizing
he has to deal with the legendary Super Saiyan. Goku gives him a chance to leave.
Raditz does so and goes to warn Nappa and Vegeta that he has found the Saiyan of the
legends. How does Vegeta react? Is he just jealous? Or does he see this as a chance for
the lost Saiyans to be avenged? In the second case, he could even go to Earth, tell
Goku the whole story with Saiyans and Freeza and deliver a speech similar to his death
speech on Namek (''please kill Freeza, Freeza must die by a Saiyan's hand blah blah blah'').
Goku does not intend to kill Freeza, but decides to go teach him a lesson.
On Planet Freeza, an epic battle between SSJ Goku and Freeza takes place (Goku has
allowed him to reach 100%). Freeza naturally gets stubborn till Goku is forced to cut him
into two and blast him. Dunno if, before that, Freeza has tried to destroy his own planet
to take Goku with him, but, if that's the case, Goku and the three other Saiyans escape
before the planet explodes.
Vegeta recommends that Goku takes Freeza's place as the ruler of the galaxy. Goku denies
at first, but, when he hears about the atrocities of the Frost Demons, he decides to accept
and release the universe from their tyranny. Eventually, he faces Mecha Freeza and King
Cold and kills them both. A new Saiyan empire replaces that of the frost demon, Goku being
the emperor and giving important positions to Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz. Vegeta is still a little
disappointed for not being the leader, but i guess he prefers taking orders from a Saiyan (let
alone the legendary Super Saiyan that avenged his people) than from Freeza. All in all, in this
story, a different relationship would have developped between them; Vegeta would deeply
respect Goku and acknowledge him as the worthy leader of Saiyans, like he acknowledged King
Vegeta when he was a kid. Also, i don't think Goku gets the virus in this story (i theorize that,
in canon, he got it while in the hospital).
Over the following years, Vegeta trains hard, most likely abuses zenkais like Goku did, and
becomes SSJ. Alas, Goku now has a good sparring partner, so, by Androids Saga, it is very
likely that both Goku and Vegeta are stronger than in canon. If we go by common sense,
Nappa and Raditz have become stronger too, but they're still irrelevant (of course, if that
story was commercialized, they'd be haxed to SSJ level too, but, here, let's go by common
sense). I don't know whether a Gohan exists (did Goku take part in 23rd and meet Chichi?),
but, if he exists, he never had to fight, so he's a scholar on Earth and does not affect the
story (Chichi would be so happy in that universe).
Androids show up and get beaten after a hard fight (Goku fights Seventeen, Vegeta fights
Eighteen). Their infinite stamina makes them tough opponents, but the two Saiyans have
good enough a power advantage to win tenaciously.
By the time Babidi shows up, i'm sure both Goku and Vegeta have seen beyond SSJ state,
so Dabura is beaten.
The only thing i can't decide is whether there is a Trunks. Vegeta could meet Bulma during
one of their stops on Earth, so there is a chance Trunks is born.
