When does M2 take place?

[SSJ2]

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[Captain Cadaver]

The events on Planet M2 take place after the Saiyan trio have escaped the clutches of a giant doll and Space :withheld Dolltaki .

Seriously though, DBZ Movie 2 would have to take place 1 year after the Saiyan Arc since the DBs are used and Galu can use the skills he learnt from Kaio, not to mention the flashback of Piccolo saving Gohan. In this timeline. It's also apparent when a movie pamphlet for it clearly has the characters stronger than their Saiyan Arc selves such as base Goku at 10k, Piccolo at 8k and Dr. Uiro far above Saiyan Arc KKx4 Galu at 39k, Goku probably arrived soon enough to save Piccolo with a senzu and avoid needing to go to Namek entirely.

 

[Hector]

According to my Movie Timeline theory, it takes place in a timeline where Goku arrived on time to fight Vegeta and Nappa and no one was killed.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

According to my Movie Timeline theory, it takes place in a timeline where Goku arrived on time to fight Vegeta and Nappa and no one was killed.

So, you believe Piccolo had to shield Gohan from Nappa's attack under completely different circumstances? Sounds like a bit of a stretch when considering the execution of the scene is exactly the same as in the main series and Piccolo's the only one of the casualties from the battle to be shown alive in the film.

It's a lot easier to just assume Movies 2 and 3 take place in different timelines and call it a day.

 

[Hector]

According to my Movie Timeline theory, it takes place in a timeline where Goku arrived on time to fight Vegeta and Nappa and no one was killed.

So, you believe Piccolo had to shield Gohan from Nappa's attack under completely different circumstances? Sounds like a bit of a stretch when considering the execution of the scene is exactly the same as in the main series and Piccolo's the only one of the casualties from the battle to be shown alive in the film.

It's a lot easier to just assume Movies 2 and 3 take place in different timelines and call it a day.

Perhaps Goku arrived earlier and healed him with a senzu.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I’m actually with Withheld here. Assuming Movie 3 is in continuity with 2 then either Chaozu never killed himself or the gang went to Namek without Freeza (I say the former since M3 Kuririn and Gohan are weaker than their Late Namek selves), placing this movie at least several months after the Saiyan Arc for the Dragon Balls to be available. I don’t mind the little detail of Piccolo putting himself in danger for Gohan the same way both timelines, since it’s only a theory and all.

 

[Pakl]

Movies don't take place. They are alternative universes based on a specific arc. We can't say they take place on a certain time but for the sake of it, It's an alternative universe after Goku fought Vegeta.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Movies don't take place. They are alternative universes based on a specific arc.

They are alternate universes, correct. Them being alternate universes based on a certain arc, however, is an assumption on your part with there being far many exceptions than there is the rule. Sure, you can bring up things such as DBZ Movie 1 taking place in a universe where Kuririn somehow knows Gohan already and other factors, but Broly is clearly not based on any Cell/Boo Arc villain or plot point in either of his 3 appearances, nor is Hildegarn based on any specific variant of Boo. Even looking at it in the powerscaling benchmark manner you tend to do (despite those involved in their creation such as Koyama directly telling you they put no thought into comparing their power to canon villains), it's made clear that very few directly stand as an equal to a main series counterpart when Garlic Jr. is clearly far weaker than Raditz, Slug and Coola are both stronger than (likely different forms of) Freeza, Super #13 is weaker than #16/Post-Humans Cell according to official sources (as well as general feat comparisons), etc.

We can't say they take place on a certain time but for the sake of it, It's an alternative universe after Goku fought Vegeta.

We can say it takes place at least a year after the Saiyan Arc from evidence directly presented within the film, being the Dragon Balls can be used despite Goku clearly having trained with Kaio and Piccolo having shielded Gohan against Nappa. To say it doesn't and that it takes place just after the Saiyan Arc as you suggest is to ignore what the film directly shows us in favour of a narrative lacking in sufficient evidence.

 

[Pakl]

Movies don't take place. They are alternative universes based on a specific arc.

They are alternate universes, correct. Them being alternate universes based on a certain arc, however, is an assumption on your part with there being far many exceptions than there is the rule. Sure, you can bring up things such as DBZ Movie 1 taking place in a universe where Kuririn somehow knows Gohan already and other factors, but Broly is clearly not based on any Cell/Boo Arc villain or plot point in either of his 3 appearances, nor is Hildegarn based on any specific variant of Boo. Even looking at it in the powerscaling benchmark manner you tend to do (despite those involved in their creation such as Koyama directly telling you they put no thought into comparing their power to canon villains), it's made clear that very few directly stand as an equal to a main series counterpart when Garlic Jr. is clearly far weaker than Raditz, Slug and Coola are both stronger than (likely different forms of) Freeza, Super #13 is weaker than #16/Post-Humans Cell according to official sources (as well as general feat comparisons), etc.

We can't say they take place on a certain time but for the sake of it, It's an alternative universe after Goku fought Vegeta.

We can say it takes place at least a year after the Saiyan Arc from evidence directly presented within the film, being the Dragon Balls can be used despite Goku clearly having trained with Kaio and Piccolo having shielded Gohan against Nappa. To say it doesn't and that it takes place just after the Saiyan Arc as you suggest is to ignore what the film directly shows us in favour of a narrative lacking in sufficient evidence.

I don't know where you got the impression that I say that the movie villian is based on the canon character. I said every movie is based on a specific arc in terms of strength and time line of the movie being made

I have already discussed it and actually showed how the movies follow almost an always same logic based on their release time and production compared to both manga and anime. When it comes to strength, sometimes (not often) you can get a little needed hax in order to make the supporting heroes relevant to Goku who is the main pinnacle of strength. Movie 3 is a perfect example

Movie 1 is based on the Raditz arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. Garlic Jr doesn't surpass Raditz because there is no progression in terms of strength after a long time in the anime. However you can argue that Garlic Jrs Dead Zone is comparable to Raditz. Enraged Gohan that killed Garlic Jr uses a similar blast he did when he blasted the mountain after Piccolo threw him. Piccolo stated at that point that Gohan's power was even greater than he imagined meaning greater than 1,307

Movie 2 is based on the Vegeta Arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have about the same power.

Movie 3 is based on the Namek Arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and such. In this movie we get Goku at 30k+ while in the series he was never stated to have that battle power but since the movie is based on the Namek Arc and in that arc Goku was mid training, you can see they gave him the 30k power level because the highest power shown at that point was Monster Zarbon and two episodes later we get 30k Vegeta killing Zarbon. That's the main point by the way. The movie villian surpass the highest power shown in the series and get matched 2 or 3 episodes later in the anime by the next stronger guy that appears. You can check it out too in Kanzenshuu by the dates of the manga and anime. Go and do it. The rest of the heroes in movie 3 are also mid training at Kaio so you can give them a random power level based on their training. Piccolo being 18k is another indication for that because in the Namek Arc that was the stated power level of Cui and Vegeta before his zenkai. Another interesting thing that Gohan is 10k. He got a needed hax as the movie came before he got the power up from Guru so probably because TOEI wanted him to be relevant. In episode 48, I think Zarbon said Gohan and Krillin are stronger than the Namekians who the average ones were 3k. Also in episode 63, while Gohan and Krillin fought Guldo, TOEI neglected the line from the manga where Jiece says both Gohan and Krillin have a battle power that surpasses 10k. We can clearly see TOEI being very consistent in their intention when it comes to the comparision of the anime and movies when it comes to strength. Tullece is around the 30k, surpasses Monster Zarbon and 2 episodes later get matched by Vegeta after his Zenkai. At his peak he rivals 1st form Freeza who was the main threat and terror of the Namek Arc

Movie 4 is based on the Ginyu Arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. I follow the line of M4 False SSjin Goku being comparable to Vegeta's last Zenkai on Namek because the latter was also described as a SSjin although he turned out not to be, and Giant Slug as strong as Initial Final Form Freeza and Goku (Post Ginyu Zenkai) M4 False SSjin Goku was said to not be able to withstand Slug just like Vegeta was not able to against Initial Final Form Freeza. By that Slug surpasses 3rd form Freeza while he and False SSjin Goku get matched 2-3 episodes after movie 4 release. Old Slug being as strong as Ginyu and his henchmen being as strong as Recoome, Burter and Jiece also seems to be obvious. as for his young state before being giant, I would say it's irrelevant but he can be as strong as 2nd form Freeza or Weighted Nailccolo, I dunno

Movie 5 is based on the Freeza Arc. by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. Goku is even stronger though because it's needed as Coola is even stronger than Freeza, but it's explained he got stronger because he kept training. Still, Coola surpasses Frieza who was the strongest at that point. No progression in terms of strength after this movie for a long time.

Now to the Cell Saga that seems to match perfectly with the anime.

Movie 6 is based on the Androids Arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. Yeah Dende is shown in movie 6 and I admit it's the only bullshit in a movie that I don't get it yet but it doesn't affect in any way the heroes power levels. Piccolo is clearly weaker than Goku and Vegeta who are the same as they were during the first portion of the Androids Saga. Hell, Vegeta is even implied in the end to be a little stronger than Goku by Goku himself just like he was during the fight with Android 20. Piccolo is not even shown to be relevant to the SSjins at this point like he was in the series probably because the movie came just before Piccolo showed his power vs Android 20. Yeah that's how TOEI made the movies, we can't get spoiled to the hero's power before it's introduced in the series which is what I fucking keep saying for years regarding movie 8 too. Initial Metal Coola rivals SSjin Goku but Metal Coola at his peak surpass SSjin Goku and Vegeta who were the strongest at that point and is clearly comparable to Android 18 who appears 2-3 episodes after movie 6 release. The combined power of Vegeta and Goku that overpowered Metal Coola can be as strong as Android 18 or Android 17 who showed his power 5 episodes later

Movie 7 is based on the Imperfect Cell ar by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. Goku is the main hero so he fights the strongest android, Toei likely had Goku stronger after the heart virus and it doesn't contradict anything as I believe Movie 7 followed the line of Android 13 ~ Imperfect Cell (Ginget Town) and Super 13 ~ Imperfect Cell (Post Humans). Super 13 surpasses the highest power shown in the series which was Kamiccolo and Android 17 and is comparable to Imperfect Cell (Post Human) who appears when? 2-3 episodes after the movie release. SSjin Goku after absorbing the Genki Dama can be as strong as Semi Perfect Cell that appears 5 episodes episodes after movie 7 release. I know the Daizneshuu says Android 16 is the strongest besides Cell but I believe it means in the canon world because 16 appears only in the canon world and let's say 16 is stronger, Super 13 can be 90% of his power and still be a little weaker. Ironically, it further proves that the movie villians surpass the highest power shown in the series and can't be stronger than a character that shows his power like 10 episodes after the movie release.

Movie 8 is based on the Perfect Cell Arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. Trunks and Vegeta are 1st Post ASSjins. Goku and Gohan are based on their initial Post Rosat states where Goku is just known and shown to be ahead of ASSjin Vegeta which is exactly what movie 8 shows too.
RSSjin Broli ~ USSjin Trunks (he tanks ASSjin Vegeta's kick similar to Cell although albiet better which is why him being as strong as strong as USSjin Trunks Makes sense) Also notice how RSSjin Broli (who we assume is as strong as USSjin Trunks based on how he tanked Vegeta) is implied to surpass Movie 8 Goku (who maxes out at his initial Post Rosat state which is stronger than ASSjin Vegeta but comparable to Warm Up Perfect Cell)? This is just like USSjin Trunks surpasses Warm Up Perfect Cell. All lines up to the Perfect Cell Arc.

SSjin Broli ~ 50% CG Goku. the scene he powers up seems similar to how Goku powered up to 50% at Korrin's tower.
LSSjin Broly is as strong as CG Goku at his 100%. The highest power shown prior to movie 8 was USSjin Trunks this Broli surpasses him. (his design by the way is based on USSjin Trunks) and matches CG Goku. And when did Goku fought Cell at full power? You guessed right, 2-3 episodes after movie 8 release just like most of the movies. Goku who killed Broli can be as strong as CG FPSSjin Gohan who showed his power 5 episodes after movie 9 release

Movie 9 is based on the Cell Games arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power.

Blue Bojack ~ Suppressed Perfect Cell vs Goku and Gohan
Green Bojack is comparable to FP Perfect Cell. And since there is no progression after movie 9 in terms of power for a long time, then Bojack can't surpass SSjin 2 Gohan but he matches the highest threat of the CG Arc which was FP Perfect Cell.

Movie 10 is based on the Great Saiyaman Arc and the beginning of the Budokai as by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. Movie 10 Broli surpasses the highest power shown at that point at this point which was SSiin 2 Kid Gohan and SPC and is comparable to SSjin 2 Goku. 2-3 episodes later Goku shows his Burst SSjin 2 vs Yakon.

Bio Broli is the only irrelevant movie because he fights Goten and Trunks who are weaklings compared to Goku Vegeta and Gohan at their best. It's explained why movie 11 was even made as Inpointed out that Toriyama wrote in one of his notes in the manga (ironically the chapter where Goku and Majin Vegeta transformed into SSjin 2 to fight) that he gets consulted on what to do with movie 11 despite the fact movie 10 was still a month away to be released and that movies are really tough. That alone proves my entire point about the movies follow a specific line of surpassing the strongest character and getting matched 2-3 episodes later with the next stronger series canon. Logically a movie 11 Villian should be stronger than SSjin 2 Goku and Majin Vegeta because they were the highest power shown at that point and likely rivalling Fat Boo who showed his power 2-3 episodes later too. (Similiar to movie 6 where Metal Coola surpasses SSjins Goku and Vegeta and is comparable to Android 18) but since Toei could not use Goku and Vegeta in movie 10 due to their SSjin 2s not existing yet and they could not use Goku in movie 11 due to his SSjin 3 not existing yet, then they had go consult Toriyama on what to do and had no choice but to make a movie with Goten Trunks and 18 which were also a main part of the arc this movie follows the end of the world of tournament. If anything, you can even argue Bio Broli is as strong as movie 8 Broli as the blood that made Bio Broli was of Broli from movie 8 before getting a Zenkai which is another proof that M8 Broli is CG Goku level as the kids are not far off Gohan as you also seem to believe.

Movie 12 is based on the Majin Boo Arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. In this ml ovie Goku is somewhat stronger due to the hax he keeps getting in the anime in the Boo Saga

Fat Janemba is indirectly compared to Fat Boo by Goku though even stronger. Super Janemba is likely comparable to Evil Boo though doesnt need to be exactly as strong as his FP but just surpasses the highest power shown which was suppressed Evil Boo vs SSjin Gotenks.
Evil Boo's full power is shown 2-3 episodes after movie 12 release. 5 episodes after movie 12 was released we get Ultimate Gohan easily manhandling Evil Boo so we can say SSjin Gogeta ~ Ultimate Gohan based on the same method that seems to be in most of the movies

Movie 13 is based on the main Fusion Arc by the time it was made the similar scenes and the heroes also have the same power. Again, Goku does have a similiar power he did in the anime as his SSjin3 was able to survive Gotenks-Boo or his SSjin state even made Gohan-Boo so Movie 13 Goku is based on this current haxed Goku in the anime. In the next episodes we get a super haxed Goku who fights Pure Boo and both are stronger than Vegetto. Movie 13 was released while Gohan-Boo and Vegetto were fighting, there was no serious progression until the Pure Boo fight so Hirudegarn can be stronger than the strongest villian at that point which was Gohan-Boo and the Dragon Fist of Goku as strong as SSjin Vegetto. They still fought for 2 other episodes after movie 13 release in the series.

See now how it's all perfected and clearly fits. It's basically called evidence. You can't say it's not a clear evidence a good analysis of the movies. It even has more evidence than a scientific theory lol. and good study of the movies compared to manga and anime for years. Go do it to and compare all the movies and see their main goal.

As for your second quote, if movies are alternative universe then why would it has to be affected by the series events? For all we know Toei just did not give a fuck about the Dragon Ball logic of to wait a year. In movie 12 the dragon ball's were used too despite the fact they were used in the series before Goku even transformed into SSjin 3 vs Majin Boo. Are you saying that Movie 12 takes place 4 months after Majin Boo and Babidi made their patrol on Earth? No right because Ultimate Gohan nor SSjin 3 Gotenks existed in movie 12, Goku and Vegeta are still dead etc etc, unless you think the movie went for a different route from the main story just so the irrelevant issue of the dragon balls will work for you. and the movie takes place around the time Evil Boo was born in the series. So again, movies don't care about canon logic because they don't fit in the canon to begin with. In movie 5 Goku never went to Yardrat because movie 5 came while Goku and Freeza still fought on Namek but in movie 6 he has Shunkan Ido. I just don't think Toei made any kind about a certain point the movie takes place but just in overall that the movie takes place around the arc it follows and that's it. TOEI simply does not look too much into these details when they make the movies. Tullece is never implied to be weaker after making the moon. Gohan should be 100k in movie 3 as an Oozaru yet Tullece seemed confident against him despite being scared of a battle power of 30k. Not to mention Kaioken Goku was getting slapped around by Oozaru Gohan and Kaioken Goku > Tullece as the latter had troubles with normal Goku who was 30k+. Thos things are not important for TOEI in the movies as they are no main issues while the strength of the character and him being at a level comparable to the characters in the series at their time seems to be what's important like I actually proved with exact comparision of the episodes and manga dates too.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I've already basically gone into this in another thread, so I'll offer an abbreviated version to save time. Movies indeed take place in alternate timelines to the main series, hence why harping on the idea that they have to be the equivalent of some current arc in the series at the expense of ignoring the rules of the series is an assumption not backed up by anything official, especially when Koyama clearly said to you specifically that there's no real way in thoroughly comparing Broly and Cell, thus refuting your "movie villains are based on a canon villain" argument. Official sources such as the DBZ Movie 3 pamphlet also have the Movie 2 characters at far higher battle powers than their Saiyan Arc counterparts which lines up with both what the film shows and the idea of it taking place a year on from the Saiyan Arc as its use of the Dragon Balls suggests. That said, all you're doing at this point is ignoring hard evidence from official material in favour of your narrative.