Where does the humans' power levels stand in the Androids Saga?

[Hector]

Yaay, I love candies.

 

[Animelover5487]

Millions since Ten's Shin Kikoho was able to annoy Initial Semi-Cell, whereas 16 couldn't even do that, and I don't feel like it has a multiplier in the thousands.

I put my numbers in an earlier post. Kuririn, Ten and Yamcha are all over the 3 mil mark imo.

 

[SSJ2]

Low millions to me. Logically the humans exceeding Namek Base Goku level is simply absurd. The Saiyans were able to cheat by getting Zenkais and naturally had more potential than the earthlings. For them to bridge that gap over a 3 year span feels off to me, and the plot only loosely necessitates it.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Low millions to me. Logically the humans exceeding Namek Base Goku level is simply absurd. The Saiyans were able to cheat by getting Zenkais and naturally had more potential than the earthlings. For them to bridge that gap over a 3 year span feels off to me, and the plot only loosely necessitates it.

By that logic shouldn't they have capped out in the hundreds of thousands? The million mark was only achieved with Zenkais and Namekian fusion.

 

[SSJ2]

Ideally probably. But when they are considered decent energy sources to Gero and Tenshinhan is able to pin down Semi Cell, there has to be a middle ground.

 

[Pyro]

High tens of thousands perhaps. They're irrelevant. Gero and 19 were absorbing car batteries so they seem to have low standards. Goobers.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think this looks pretty nice:

Gohan: 1,200 --> 7,200
Kuririn: 300 --> 1,500
Tenshinhan: 240 --> 1,200
Yamcha: 180 --> 900
Chaozu: 60 --> 120

Scaling from before and after the 3 years. Gohan is a bit over a million like he was after Namek and gets 6x stronger after his training. Scaling from the Ginyu filler and Piccolo's own gains the humans (minus Chaozu) fit between Ginyu and 1st form Freeza, and get 5x stronger after the 3 years training. Kuririn is the only one to actually reach Post Nail Piccolo, followed closely by Tenshinhan. Yamcha naturally is a couple steps behind and doesn’t even crack the million mark.

 

[Pyro]

I think if I do another PL list, I'll wank my humans to something fierce like this.

[Gohan: 800,000 --> 5,000,000]
Krillin: 26,000 [vs Ginyu] --> 75,000 [vs Freeza] --> 250,000 [Androids]
Tenshinhan: 30,000 [Kaio] --> 38,000 [Mecha Freeza] --> 150,000 [Androids]
Yamcha: 20,000 [Kaio] --> 70,000 [Androids]

Ugh, it's so good.

 

[SSJ2]

I think if I do another PL list, I'll wank my humans to something fierce like this.

[Gohan: 800,000 --> 5,000,000]
Krillin: 26,000 [vs Ginyu] --> 75,000 [vs Freeza] --> 250,000 [Androids]
Tenshinhan: 30,000 [Kaio] --> 38,000 [Mecha Freeza] --> 150,000 [Androids]
Yamcha: 20,000 [Kaio] --> 70,000 [Androids]

Ugh, it's so good.

That Shin Kikoho amp

 

[Pyro]

That Shin Kikoho amp

Honestly, it's going to be stupid no matter what you do. I just don't care what somebody else's arbitrary "silly limit" is for the Shin Kikoho. Spopobich might think 1,000x is too much while Yamamama might think 100x is too much. It's pointless to argue over that, not that you necessarily were, because in the end it changes nothing about Tenshinhan's irrelevancy.

 

[SSJ2]

Nah, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of it all. Tenshinhan was barely capable of damaging Nappa's armor in the Saiyan arc. After a few years he was capable of amping his attack by some 1,000,000x and was beating the shit out of Semi Cell

The more compelling evidence is Gero considering Yamcha a good source of power, but even then, what is he considering "good" when his projections for the Z Senshi were so low in the first place.

 

[ベジータ]

Kuririn: 450,000
Tenshinhan: 300,000
Yamcha: 180,000

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That Shin Kikoho amp

The Kikoho has more pushing power than actual power, obviously

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kame-sen’nin said that the basic Kikoho was more destructive than the KHH or something like that, so it can’t just be a Kiai that doesn’t hurt or something like that.

 

[Pyro]

Yet we know nothing about the Shin Kikoho, dumb dumb.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Shin literally means new I think, as-in new and improved most likely. Enough with the mental-gymnastics, even-though that doesn't necessarily mean Tenshinhan has to be million range.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Daizenshuu 7 does say the Shin Kikoho is spammable because it focuses on energy conservation, so if anything the individual shots are weaker Tenshinhan won’t burn himself out with a single shot.

It’s pretty hard to tell because the Kikoho never does shit overall. Tenshinhan fired a suppressed Kikoho in the 22TB only so he could destroy the arena, and then a very weakened Tenshinhan fires a Kikoho with the intention of killing himself and Nappa tanks it.

 

[SSJ2]

So a regular Kikoho could have incinerated Semi Cell?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Probably low millions. Good enough to help the Super Saiyans and Piccolo to defeat the Androids at least.

 

[Yoshi]

I have the Humans in the Androids Saga between Initial Freeza & Speed Increased Freeza, and 50%, 70%, and 100% Freeza. However, I also have Gohan and the Base Saiyans in between those powers.

I also have all the Z Fighters and the Base Saiyans in the tens of millions because I ignore the Daiz Numbers for the late Freeza Arc, and I'm a maximalist.