Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

[Natasha Romanoff]

Considering that in both cases, Hit was speedblitzed and both were too fast for him to watch. Which do you think it'd be the case?

 

[Animelover5487]

Dyspo's speed is far above his overall power. Anyway Dyspo is a tricky one to power scale since Base Freeza was tanking his hits while Hit struggled against Dyspo before Adapting and getting stronger. Hit was Blue Goku's equal during the Filler and should logically be a lot stronger than Dyspo.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think they’re about the same. Both overwhelmed Hit at first, but he adapted to their level pretty quickly.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Dyspo's speed is far above his overall power. Anyway Dyspo is a tricky one to power scale since Base Freeza was tanking his hits while Hit struggled against Dyspo before Adapting and getting stronger. Hit was Blue Goku's equal during the Filler and should logically be a lot stronger than Dyspo.

IMO Final Form Freeza keeping up with Dyspo is simply a PIS, but from the perspective that it could be not I can think that Hit is just marginally weaker than either Dyspo or Freeza (no Golden). Of course, Dyspo is only faster than both, but Freeza the strongest of the three.

Hit was stronger than SSj Blue Goku in Episode 71/72 considering that Goku himself states that Hit is always one step ahead of him.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Hit (Assassin techniques) >= SSJB Goku > Hit (No assassin techniques)

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Hit (Assassin techniques) >= SSJB Goku > Hit (No assassin techniques)

As per Vados, Hit was fighting as a martial artist against Blue Goku in Episode 72 as opposed to as an assassin which answered Champa's doubt about how an assasin can enjoy fighting.

Also, that Goku's Blue Kamehameha didn't made any single scratch on Hit, and he could've been the victor as he was the first one to get up and Goku was tired and in base, while Hit could've made an assassin attack again.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

As per Vados, Hit was fighting as a martial artist against Blue Goku in Episode 72 as opposed to as an assassin which answered Champa's doubt about how an assasin can enjoy fighting.

Also, that Goku's Blue Kamehameha didn't made any single scratch on Hit, and he could've been the victor as he was the first one to get up and Goku was tired and in base, while Hit could've made an assassin attack again.

But he’s using his lethal techniques, so at least he’s not holding back.

Didn’t Hit deflect that Kamehameha?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

But he’s using his lethal techniques, so at least he’s not holding back.

Hit is holding back against Goku. When Goku states that Hit is much stronger than what he was in the martial arts tournament, he also states that he can go even further, which implies that he was hiding some power.

Didn’t Hit deflect that Kamehameha?

He didn't, he actually received it directly, you can watch it on here:

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Hit is holding back against Goku. When Goku states that Hit is much stronger than what he was in the martial arts tournament, he also states that he can go even further, which implies that he was hiding some power.

That’s because they just started fighting, so he hasn’t shown everything yet. Vados later says Hit isn’t holding back.

He didn't, he actually received it directly, you can watch it on here:

Hit throws his hands up and the blast changes direction, looks like he deflected. Either way, it cost him a lot of stamina and he’s on the ground.

Goku breaking Hit’s pocket dimension makes him look stronger. The theme on both their fights was that Goku is stronger, but Hit has time-skip and it’s variations to counter so Goku relies on his wits.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

That’s because they just started fighting, so he hasn’t shown everything yet. Vados later says Hit isn’t holding back.

Hit wasn't holding back in showing his movements. I don't think that is an statement in reference to power.

Also, why was Goku shaking in fear?

Hit throws his hands up and the blast changes direction, looks like he deflected. Either way, it cost him a lot of stamina and he’s on the ground.

Goku breaking Hit’s pocket dimension makes him look stronger. The theme on both their fights was that Goku is stronger, but Hit has time-skip and it’s variations to counter so Goku relies on his wits.

Hit didn't even moved and him having his hands up just proves that he directly received without guarding himself, also the Kamehameha went directly in direction to him and he still has more than plenty of stamina to get up. Goku was in base form after doing that so it would've costed him a lot of stamina and Hit was still unscratched.

It's also unlikely for Hit to avoid the Kamehameha considering that it would've happened the same as in the Champa arc when he improved enough and managed to actually dodge it.

 

[Goku9001]

I'm not sure if Dyspo was even stronger. Dyspo's hearing was what really gave him the edge and Hit quickly adapted to Dyspo's fighting style.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I'm not sure if Dyspo was even stronger. Dyspo's hearing was what really gave him the edge and Hit quickly adapted to Dyspo's fighting style.

In the case of Dyspo, I am talking about speed advantage.

 

[Animelover5487]

I'm not sure if Dyspo was even stronger. Dyspo's hearing was what really gave him the edge and Hit quickly adapted to Dyspo's fighting style.

I think Dyspo would still have to be relative to Blue tier for him to hurt Hit. Dyspo's attacks did more to Hit than Base Freeza, which fucks up the power scaling.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I think Dyspo would still have to be relative to Blue tier for him to hurt Hit. Dyspo's attacks did more to Hit than Base Freeza, which fucks up the power scaling.

I think that Hit was weaker than God Goku considering that Hit couldn't even see his movements while God Goku could react to his attacks.

But yeah, the scalling is a mess if you accept Final Form Freeza being that strong.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Hit wasn't holding back in showing his movements. I don't think that is an statement in reference to power.

Also, why was Goku shaking in fear?

He still had a couple techniques left. The whole fight Hit’s “power” is his techniques, he doesn’t do anything in his real body the whole episode.

Goku was afraid because Hit might beat him using said techniques.

Hit didn't even moved and him having his hands up just proves that he directly received without guarding himself, also the Kamehameha went directly in direction to him and he still has more than plenty of stamina to get up. Goku was in base form after doing that so it would've costed him a lot of stamina and Hit was still unscratched.

It's also unlikely for Hit to avoid the Kamehameha considering that it would've happened the same as in the Champa arc when he improved enough and managed to actually dodge it.

So why did he raise his hands and why did the Kamehameha not go in a straight line? Hit not having any scratches or dust sounds more like he wasn’t hit at all.

But whatever happened, the fight ended as a tie. Hit was in the floor with as little energy to continue as Goku.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

He still had a couple techniques left. The whole fight Hit’s “power” is his techniques, he doesn’t do anything in his real body the whole episode.

Goku was afraid because Hit might beat him using said techniques.

He eventually shows Goku that he can also attack while being on that stance, not that he just appears or dissapears.

Goku knew how to predict it, he could also touch him and also dodge some of his assassination techniques. Also Goku was aware of everything as he himself contacted Whis to contact Vados and he can fight Hit all-out, so he is aware that he could be killed.

So why did he raise his hands and why did the Kamehameha not go in a straight line? Hit not having any scratches or dust sounds more like he wasn’t hit at all.

But whatever happened, the fight ended as a tie. Hit was in the floor with as little energy to continue as Goku.

Hit was in the same stance of the Genkidama, when Kid Buu (in the anime) threw blasts off Goku, he couldn't defend himself.

Because he destroyed the pocket dimension and the attack went to the air. I think that if the blast would have been actually deflected it would have been a similar result as to Goku vs Cell in their warm up.

Hit afterwards standed up and returned to Universe 6 by his own.