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I think Tao's power was sort of retconed to be above Chappa during the Budokai, like Ginyu was retconed to be above Final Zenkai Vegeta, as Goku admits to Kuririn he never had such a good battle, implying Kuririn was the first person to surpass Tao and Gohan even though Chappa is implied to be a tough match to a Goku even stronger to the one who defeated Tao and the Baba Warriors.
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
I think Tao's power was sort of retconed to be above Chappa during the Budokai, like Ginyu was retconed to be above Final Zenkai Vegeta, as Goku admits to Kuririn he never had such a good battle, implying Kuririn was the first person to surpass Tao and Gohan even though Chappa is implied to be a tough match to a Goku even stronger to the one who defeated Tao and the Baba Warriors.
I don't think that would mean much. Even if Chappa were above Tao, Goku still beat him easily, so it wouldn't be classed as a "good battle".
 

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True, though everybody being shocked at Tao being defeated still contradicts the build up Chappa had.
 

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You could assume both Roshi and Tsuru Sennin overestimated Tao. Roshi likely hadn't seen him since he was a child based on his lack of contact with Tsuru Sennin, if at all, so he'd only have his reputation as the world's greatest assassin to go by. As for Tsuru Sennin, I believe his recognition of his brother's skill and what attachment he had for him may have caused his opinion to be somewhat biased. Perhaps he believed that it would take someone with not just the raw power, but the martial skill to surpass Tao in order to kill him.
 

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I think it's somewhat of a tricky situation. I don't think his surprised reaction towards Goku beating up Chappa means much considering Jackie Chun seemed pretty surprised as well, even going as far as to say it could be bad for him once knowing what goku used was far from his FP and getting carried away in the prelims when he admitted going too tough on a random fighter... and we know Roshi was still way above Chappa-o, so I don't think their surprise at Goku's power vs Chappa means they were already outclassed by such power.

But then, we have Yamcha stating he didn't think someone could defeat Chappa-o that easily, which complicates things a little. I like what was said in my manga-copy more, in which Yamcha merely stated Goku didn't even give a shot to Chappa-o, which doesn't lead to such apparent debate, since all we'd be let to then would be their surprise. Can someone check what Yamcha stated in the Japanese anime?

BTW, I'd likely go with an out of Universe explanation here and argue Toriyama still wasn't clear on whether he'd have the main cast considerably outclassing Chappa-o at that moment, and later decided to go with them being also way above Chappa so the Tournament would be more smooth, without having Yamcha and Kuririn already losing their confidence. So, I think the later implications of them being able to do the same outweights what was said by Yamcha there imo, which can even be argued as him still not being so comfortable with the God martial artist being defeated that way.
 

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And WTF, only post Kami training?? 23rd Budokai Yamcha and Kuririn should both be wayyy above 23rd Budokai Chappa-o, nevermind his 22nd Budokai self.
 

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ahill1 said:
And WTF, only post Kami training?? 23rd Budokai Yamcha and Kuririn should both be wayyy above 23rd Budokai Chappa-o, nevermind his 22nd Budokai self.
Pretty sure it was a typo and Vic meant Karin.
 
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