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Why do GT fans constantly say EoZ, BoG and FnF are all in the same timeline, even if new evidence shows otherwise?

I understand the ChÅ￾zenshÅ« Volumes have placed them together because of time period
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_timeline

and there is no such thing as canon in the Dragonball universe, but there is no evidence that ties them all together to Mr Toriyama's vision.

If we look at the Star Wars franchise (episodes 1 to 6), throughout the movies, characters and the story from one movie connects to the next either by them being there or other characters talking about them and their achievements, so it's one continuous flow.

Also, if we look at EoZ to BoG, Akira Toriyama himself explained it was Beerus that sealed Lord Kaioshin, so it has some connection to the manga. And with the new movies (FnF and maybe part III) and TV series (Super), we are shown Gohan losing his abilities to use higher transformation forms because of lack of training and both Goku and Vegeta seems to have kept there God powers.

For GT to be tie together, you'd have to come up with reasons to explain why Goten is so strong so that he could defeat Bebi on his own in his base form and why Vegeta had trouble with #17, even though his base should be above or close Vegito's level and why Gohan all of sudden trained in GT where in FnF stated he was busy with other things.
 

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GT Perfect Files are stupid. Gohan didn't train.

There's your Gohan explanation. :elmo
 

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The 17 that Vegeta fought was built in hell, and is referred to as Hellfighter 17, so it's not exactly the same 17 we know from the Android saga. That was the other 17 with the brown coat. So a higher battle power can be explained by simple tweaks in the design.
 

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Let's play a game of Where's Wally?

Can anyone guess who is the odd character in the video?

At the start of GT, Goten over powers Bebi in his base form, while the narrator and Goten stating Bebi is the strongest villain the heroes faced up to this point.

Can anyone explain how Goten got so strong (stronger than Bebi who is the strongest villain they faced up to this point)?

Somebody else already discussed.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8483000/7/
 

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Wonton Soup said:
Let's play a game of Where's Wally?

Can anyone guess who is the odd character in the video?

At the start of GT, Goten over powers Bebi in his base form, while the narrator and Goten stating Bebi is the strongest villain the heroes faced.

Can anyone explain how Goten got so strong (stronger than Bebi who is the strongest villain they faced up to this point)?

Somebody else already proved Bebi was the strongest villain the heroes faced up this point.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8483000/7/
Goku in the last episode of Z told Goten and Trunks to train, and they agreed. The context of the Baby scene is that Baby is on a completely different level from all of the other Baby-possessed humans, not every villain.
 

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SSJ Vegetto said:
Wonton Soup said:
Let's play a game of Where's Wally?

Can anyone guess who is the odd character in the video?

At the start of GT, Goten over powers Bebi in his base form, while the narrator and Goten stating Bebi is the strongest villain the heroes faced.

Can anyone explain how Goten got so strong (stronger than Bebi who is the strongest villain they faced up to this point)?

Somebody else already proved Bebi was the strongest villain the heroes faced up this point.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8483000/7/
Goku in the last episode of Z told Goten and Trunks to train, and they agreed. The context of the Baby scene is that Baby is on a completely different level from all of the other Baby-possessed humans, not every villain.
Umm no.

The narrator and Goten in Japanese made it clear that Bebi was the strongest villain.

Why would the narrator comment on a human and why Goten who you said trained all this time be worried about a human-bebi??
 

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Can someone move this to Dragonball GT section please?
 

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Wonton Soup said:
Umm no.

The narrator and Goten in Japanese made it clear that Bebi was the strongest villain.

Why would the narrator comment on a human?
Episode 25
Time: 19m25s
Context: Baby has challenged Goten to a fight
Goten: "Satan-san, this guy is in a different league from everyone else up until now!"

Episode 25
Time: around 20m5s
Subject: Baby
Narrator: "W-what's this? Baby has appeared on Earth! Goten stands alone to face him. However, will Goten alone be all right against Baby, who has powered up one step higher?"

Episode 26
Time: 0m40s
Context: Recapping the events of Episode 25
Narrator: "Baby, having powered up, had come to a point where not even Goten could take him lightly."


Nowhere does the narrator say Baby is the strongest villain. All it says is he powered up one step higher, since the last time we saw him on screen he was a lot weaker.

Goten's statement doesn't mean Baby is the strongest villain. When Goten says Baby is in a different league than everyone else up until now, he is more likely referring to all of the Baby-possessed humans they had just encountered that were unusually strong.
 

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Goten's talking to Mr. Satan, who he just rescued from a mob of possessed humans. The context is in the scene.
 

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Pyrus said:
Goten's talking to Mr. Satan, who he just rescued from a mob of possessed humans. The context is in the scene.
By the way, your GT strength checker is incomplete. Would you like help in completing it? If you do, just PM.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8415871/1/

Explain this then. Goten's partner in crime - Trunks said Bebi can become "something even greater than anything in this world".

^ that's a power statement. For that to be true, the new villains in super cannot be sensed.

Bebi power's up and knocks Goku back while he was charging his KKH.

^ this is a feat, but I don't know how well feats and GT logic goes together though.

Bebi possessed Trunks body and charged up a ki blast to Goku's face and states not even Goku would survive a head on blast as Goku looks scared as hell.

Also there's this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VfaJlvVCw

go directly to 4.10secs
 

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Explain this then. Goten's partner in crime - Trunks said Bebi can become "something even greater than anything in this world".

^ that's a power statement. For that to be true, the new villains in super cannot be sensed.
I'm not seeing where he said this. Specific episode?
Bebi power's up and knocks Goku back while he was charging his KKH.

^ this is a feat, but I don't know how well feats and GT logic goes together though.
At that point Baby's nothing to Goku and still below SSj Trunks.
Bebi possessed Trunks body and charged up a ki blast to Goku's face and states not even Goku would survive a head on blast as Goku looks scared as hell.
He said Goku couldn't dodge at that range, not that he wouldn't survive it.

Episode 24
Time: around 15m55s
Context: Baby-possessed Trunks just blasted Goku down and is about to blast him at point-blank range
Baby: "How about it? Not even you can dodge me at this range!"

Also there's this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VfaJlvVCw

go directly to 4.10secs
Episode 25
Time: 19m25s
Context: Baby has challenged Goten to a fight
Goten: "Satan-san, this guy is in a different league from everyone else up until now!"


I'm still convinced he's referring to the humans that he rescued Satan from.
 

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Mostly from what I've seen casual fans (dubbies or those who've never read the manga and use the anime as a primary source) put everything in one timeline (although I have seen a good number of people acknowledge that GT is non canon).

I don't acknowledge the GT Perfect Files of certain characters being as strong as they supposedly are. I don't really follow GT's bloating too much either (However I have Syn Shenron, Limits Surpassed Goku, SSJ4 Vegeta, and Omega Shenron unbelievably high, while I have Gogeta in a completely different league).

Goten referring to the punks he knocked out while talking to Mr. Satan sounds pretty reasonable. I don't put Goten above Mr. Buu like the GT Perfect Files do and he seemed to have a lid on Baby in Base Form.

The thing with 17 should be obvious. One is the original the one that K.O.'d Trunks and 18 (How 17 just up and punked Trunks I don't understand. I put both Goten and Trunks stronger than Perfect Cell in Base Form so 17 should've been childs play. How he easily beats 18 I still don't understand, the two were pretty much equals in the Android saga and he's unscathed after being attacked by 18 although it makes sense him beating her their short beam struggle due to charging his attack for a while).

The other 17 is completely machine being built in Hell by Dr. Gero & Myuu and that Android 17 was fighting evenly with Base Vegeta even scoring a blow on him.
 

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I'm not seeing where he said this. Specific episode?

Episode 22:
1min, 51secs

Trunks: It holds an incrediable power, one beyond belief.

If it were to develop all the way into it's perfect form, then as power is concerned, it will become something even greater than anything else in this world!


Episode 22:
9mins, 35secs.

Goku: I sure would liked to try fighting this guy once!

Trunks: Goku-san!

Episode 22:

12mins 01secs.

Goku: You were right Trunks.

Pan: This thing's power isn't anything oridinary!

Goku: I'm starting to get all tingly for some reason!

Gill: Danger! Danger! We'll be killed!
 

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As far as this Baby debate goes, I'd agree with Pyrus. If Baby were indeed the strongest villain Goten had ever faced, he wouldn't have said this:

Episode 26
Time: around 1m15s
Context: Goten and Baby face off
Goten: "Looks like you can handle yourself somewhat. You're no ordinary opponent. I'd say you're better than average."
Baby: "What?"
 

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Ah, I see now.

Episode 22
Time: Roughly 4m 50s
Context: Trunks tells Goku and Pan about what he expects of Baby
Trunks: “It holds an incredible power, one beyond belief. It is, so to speak, a Neo Machine Mutant. If it were to fully develop all the way to its perfect form, then as far as power is concerned, it will become something even greater than anything else in this world.â€￾
Goku: “A-awesome. This thing gets that strong?â€￾


That's cool, though it doesn't help that Goten was still stronger than Baby at that point, so all of the praise Baby got would only amount to putting him above average. I specify Goten because him and Baby were rather equal after Baby had absorbed a ton of people on his way to Earth, so logically Baby would be inferior prior to that.

What I find interesting is Mu's comment to Baby beforehand.

Episode 22
Time: Roughly 11m 40s
Context: Mu talks to Baby to try and give him the willpower to keep living after Trunks has shut off the power of Baby's tube
Doctor Mu: “Remember your excellence when you are reborn into your perfect form! The power that we gathered throughout the entire galaxy continues to live on inside your body! The power that Lood used and was sent here to you! Think about how much power there is established within you!â€￾


It might confirm that as an infant, Baby had surpassed Lood, which would also indirectly confirm the massive growth of Goku (and the others, I guess) from their space fights.
 

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