Would you look at those numbers?

[Fantastische Hure]

I was just looking to see how and whether Trunks' return effected DB-Super and that sure did. Please look at the increase in ratings.

From 5.9 to 8.4. WOW!!!

Everyone wanted to see him return (including me). Also helps that this was promoted like that was the first serious arc in the series.

Future Trunks helped DragonBall Super reach higher levels.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-06-09/japan-animation-tv-ranking-may-30-june-5/.103038

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-06-17/japan-animation-tv-ranking-june-6-12/.103311

 

[Fantastische Hure]

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[Mystic]

super sac

 

[Fantastische Hure]

i know

too bad

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It helps that FT arc in the anime was good. Unlike the manga.

 

[ahill1]

That's quite an increase. I wished to see him back, but I wasn't too fond on this new modern Trunks, both design and behavior wise. I still don't complain about Super featuring an arc with him. This arc was Super's strength.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It helps that FT arc in the anime was good. Unlike the manga.

Nah. As terrible as the manga FT Arc was, the anime was way worse.

 

[ahill1]

Both were pretty shitty tbh. Still, I think some scenes were handled better in the anime, notably the whole Goku vs Zamasu's conflict, actually adding more of a reason for Zamasu to become intrigued with Goku and obtain his body... Black's personality I feel was handled better in the anime as well, whereas in the manga he's a pretty bland character that adds nothing of new to the mix.

This is taking out both obvious flaws, which coincidentally happened heading towards the end of the arc. I also really dislike the whole exposition in the Vegeta switching from God to Blue moment, with Goku chewing everything to us, which is totally not like DB at all. When has a character ever spoken like an obsessed fan trying to get over the details? It just distances it from the original work.

 

[Mystic]

imagine watching Super long enough to get to that point.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

notably the whole Goku vs Zamasu's conflict, actually adding more of a reason for Zamasu to become intrigued with Goku and obtain his body...

At the cost of making Gowasu seem like an absolute retard. Thinking that the method of disproving Zamasu's stance that all mortals were violent barbarians would be to have him face a battle-hungry mortal so haughty as to challenge the gods was the peak of incompetence.

Black's personality I feel was handled better in the anime as well, whereas in the manga he's a pretty bland character that adds nothing of new to the mix.

Anime Black failed to prevent the time travellers from escaping not once, but twice, as well as doing a terrible job at killing all mortals unlike his manga self. Not sure about you, but I'd take a bland yet efficient character over an incompetent asshat.

This is taking out both obvious flaws, which coincidentally happened heading towards the end of the arc. I also really dislike the whole exposition in the Vegeta switching from God to Blue moment, with Goku chewing everything to us, which is totally not like DB at all. When has a character ever spoken like an obsessed fan trying to get over the details? It just distances it from the original work.

Better than explaining him being able to beat Black as "durr I got stronger through training" when it'd require him gaining more power through one Rosat trip than he did through three, with Goku stating in the latter case they had already hit a wall.

 

[ahill1]

At the cost of making Gowasu seem like an absolute retard. Thinking that the method of disproving Zamasu's stance that all mortals were violent barbarians would be to have him face a battle-hungry mortal so haughty as to challenge the gods was the peak of incompetence.

I don't think it was necessarily an inconsistence from Gowasu. He wanted Zamasu to learn with Goku, to see the errors in his own way through valuing other mortals... which goes in line with Goku's unique nature, already spoken about by other characters.

In the manga Zamasu becomes intrigued about Goku and obsessed to the point of possessing Goku's body... by knowing second-handed about his feats. It's worse.

Anime Black failed to prevent the time travellers from escaping not once, but twice, as well as doing a terrible job at killing all mortals unlike his manga self. Not sure about you, but I'd take a bland yet efficient character over an incompetent asshat.

The same can be said for manga Black, with the exception being one extra trip in the anime. He was far from competent in the manga as well. In the anime he kept his cool after getting outmatched by Vegeta and discovered a way to outlast him, unlike his anime self that had already to resort to the fusion... he's shown basically nothing in the manga.

Better than explaining him being able to beat Black as "durr I got stronger through training" when it'd require him gaining more power through one Rosat trip than he did through three, with Goku stating in the latter case they had already hit a wall.

It was something that could be conveyed to us in a more natural manner, was my point. Not through a speech exchange in which there seem to be 2 fans obsessed with small details and the mechanics through that plan. DB was never a show that structured its ddialogue in such abrazive way. Take Beerus and Whis' speech exchange in the ToP about the Blu's state fallen inefficiency as another example.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't think it was necessarily an inconsistence from Gowasu. He wanted Zamasu to learn with Goku, to see the errors in his own way through valuing other mortals... which goes in line with Goku's unique nature, already spoken about by other characters.

A main aspect of Zamasu's motivation was seeing mortals as ungrateful and dangerous. Fighting against one capable of challenging or even besting divine beings would do anything but cause him to stray from that path.

The same can be said for manga Black, with the exception being one extra trip in the anime. He was far from competent in the manga as well.

Actively going out and shooting down mortals >>> letting a whole resistance force stay alive for a long time when they were far from subtle in their actions.

Also, his anime self was so incompetent he wasn't able to kill Mai. At least the manga bothered to offer the explanation of Trunks having inherited Kibito's healing powers to plug this plot hole.

In the anime he kept his cool after getting outmatched by Vegeta and discovered a way to outlast him, unlike his anime self that had already to resort to the fusion... he's shown basically nothing in the manga.

He only outlasted him by revealing a bunch of asspulled techniques that neither Zamasu nor Goku showed any capability of knowing and are done away with as soon as they're used, not to mention Merged Zamasu never bothering to use such haxed abilities later. The manga at least stayed somewhat consistent in establishing his abilities and limits, as well as not wasting time on what amounts to just mindless spectacle.

 

[ahill1]

A main aspect of Zamasu's motivation was seeing mortals as ungrateful and dangerous. Fighting against one capable of challenging or even besting divine beings would do anything but cause him to stray from that path.

Gowasu just allowed them to fight. The idea of getting Goku there wasn't his, it just happened as the Z senshi was beginning to add piece to piece. While he allowed them to fight, it's understandable thinking that having a physical engagement with someone described as unique may change his views on mortal. Besides, I don't even know if he vent to Gowasu his distate at mortals wielding powers in the God's vicinity. As far as Gowasu knew, he seemed to base such disdain on them commiting the same mistakes and not learning from them.

Actively going out and shooting down mortals >>> letting a whole resistance force stay alive for a long time when they were far from subtle in their actions.

He was incompetent in that regard, but I don't find too out of the realm of possibility to exist a small group that went under Zamasu and Black's radar. It has also offered good moments and given more weight to their quest of saving Trunks' world, so it wasn't that damaging.

He only outlasted him by revealing a bunch of asspulled techniques that neither Zamasu nor Goku showed any capability of knowing and are done away with as soon as they're used, not to mention Merged Zamasu never bothering to use such haxed abilities later. The manga at least stayed somewhat consistent in establishing his abilities and limits, as well as not wasting time on what amounts to just mindless spectacle.

Goku nor Zamasu developing thos techniques doesn't mean Black himself couldn't have pulled them out when cornered by Vegeta. It was also made quite clead that he came with those amidst the battle.

The manga doesn't squeeze such moves from him, but also goes for the more expected and boring route, without offering too much alternatives or variety for the character... whereas the anime seemed to be more well rounded in relation to Zamasu's motivation and Black as a whole.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Future Trunks is a draw!

Anyway, Goku Black was confirmed before the arc so that definitely add the numbers.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It helps that FT arc in the anime was good. Unlike the manga.

Like CC said the manga version was much better.

btw I thought you didn't like DB-Super, yet there's one entire saga you liked?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Black's personality I feel was handled better in the anime as well, whereas in the manga he's a pretty bland character that adds nothing of new to the mix.

Anime Goku-Black was all Subarashii. That was all he said.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

imagine watching Super long enough to get to that point.

There are still some good things though.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

btw I thought you didn't like DB-Super, yet there's one entire saga you liked?

I enjoyed Universe 6 arc a bit. Mainly because Toriyama wrote the gags.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

btw I thought you didn't like DB-Super, yet there's one entire saga you liked?

I enjoyed Universe 6 arc a bit. Mainly because Toriyama wrote the gags.

So you did like some of DB-Super? I thought you hated all of it l0l. Must have just thought because of the huge backlash every-where else in-general.

 

[ahill1]

Black's personality I feel was handled better in the anime as well, whereas in the manga he's a pretty bland character that adds nothing of new to the mix.

Anime Goku-Black was all Subarashii. That was all he said.

Subarashii!! Better than manga Black imo.