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Ninja'd. :donovan

I place Gohan on the same tier as the other Saiyans, given he spent 3 years training with SSJ Goku and Piccolo, so Gohan wins with high diff.

Same matchup as my previous post.

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Gap between Vegetto SSJB (Manga) over Merged Zamasu (Manga) vs gap between Vegetto SSJ (Boo) over Buuhan?
Which gap is greater?
They seem relatively similar without GT scaling making SSJ Vegetto dozens of times stronger than Gohan Boo, though I'd go with the latter since Vegetto didn't go to the point where he was stomping Zamasu with just his feet.
 

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I have Yamcha (Androids / Boo / Current) at 12.5% Freezer (Namek).

Vegetto SSJ (Manga) vs Merged Zamasu (manga)?
 

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Already answered that in my previous post.

Enraged Pan (Vs Golden Oozaru Vegeta-Baby) VS Base Rild
 

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I think I give it to Pan (Infuriated) as it seemed to be at least superior to Trunks SSJ2 (Post Baby). The latter before being possessed by Baby, in his SSJ form was superior to General Rildo First Form.

Vegetto SSJ (Manga) vs Merged Zamasu (manga)?
 

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Anything below SS3 isn't going to do much to Zamasu imo, so he stomps.

Whirus (Beerus/Whis fusion) VS Zen-Oh
- Fusion multiplier is the same as Merged Zamasu or FT Arc Vegetto's.
- If Zen-Oh still stomps, have Whirus face the Daishinkan.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Anything below SS3 isn't going to do much to Zamasu imo, so he stomps.

Whirus (Beerus/Whis fusion) VS Zen-Oh
- Fusion multiplier is the same as Merged Zamasu or FT Arc Vegetto's.
- If Zen-Oh still stomps, have Whirus face the Daishinkan.

But Vegetto Base (Debilitated) does not appear to be fodder for this Merged Zamasu. The latter said that an hour was more than enough to defeat him.
 

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Base Vegetto's feats against Zamasu were those against a Zamasu who expected to just easily finish off a weakened Base Goku/Vegeta, so they don't really mean much.
 

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Whirus Wins.

I have a tremendous multiplier for the Fusion even, since the Potara Fusion I have it as: The Square Root of A * B and that multiplied by X.

  Future Zamasu (Manga) being very weak, makes the multiplier of Merged Zamasu must be even greater.
 

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Hit (Anime) vs Goku SSJB kaioken x8 (Tournament Universes 6 and 7)?

  Who is more powerful?
 

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Hit held his own against SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku, even when Goku unleashed a Kamehameha in this state. With Hit's killing techniques and current power, he should be able to win here.

18 (Super 17 Saga) vs 18 (DBS, current)

If you think GT 18 loses, make it Super 17 and 18's fusion from DB Heroes GDM5.
 

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GT #18 wrecks seeing as how feats present her as being stronger than S17 Arc Base Trunks, who's SSJ form was implied to be above Base Rild at least. Meanwhile, DBS #18 is most likely inferior to Basil who's in turn inferior to Base Gohan, who's SS2 form was still weaker than Ultimate Gohan.

Super #17 (#18 Absorbed) VS SS3 Gogeta (Evil Dragon Arc)
- It was shown in GDM5 that Super #17 was superior to SS4 Vegeta, who logically shouldn't be any weaker than his in series self.
- No stamina drain for SS3.
- Gogeta is aware of energy absorption.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
GT #18 wrecks seeing as how feats present her as being stronger than S17 Arc Base Trunks, who's SSJ form was implied to be above Base Rild at least. Meanwhile, DBS #18 is most likely inferior to Basil who's in turn inferior to Base Gohan, who's SS2 form was still weaker than Ultimate Gohan.

Super #17 (#18 Absorbed) VS SS3 Gogeta (Evil Dragon Arc)
- It was shown in GDM5 that Super #17 was superior to SS4 Vegeta, who logically shouldn't be any weaker than his in series self.
- No stamina drain for SS3.
- Gogeta is aware of energy absorption.

Very good point about # 18.

  Why Super # 17> Vegeta SSJ4?

Hit (Anime) vs Goku SSJB Kaioken x9 (Tournament Universes 6 and 7)?

  Who is more powerful?
 

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In response to CC's matchup: Initial Super 17 (18 Absorbed) was portrayed to be superior to SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta by a good amount (similar to LSSJ4 Broly & Omega Shenron). As for Gogeta, Vegeta implied that an SSJ4 fusion between him and Goku was required to beat Omega, and Gogeta's potential unlocked (SSJ4) should logically be far ahead of his SSJ3 power. Also, Gogeta has to deal with his short time limit, as well as 17's infinite stamina. 17 wrecks.

As for SIAD's matchup: Hit, for pretty much the same reasons as my last post.

LSSJ4 Broly (JM7) vs Super 17 fused with 18 (GDM5)
 

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Their feats are comparable, though I'd give it to Hyper 17 due to his absorbing abilities.

Dabura (DBS) VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan

Note: Dabura, though outmatched, could resist some blows from SSJ2 Future Trunks, who was most likely stronger than Kid Gohan (Cell Games) at this point.
 

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Logically Trunks should've gained about as much power as Gohan did from the Z-Sword training, or at least have surpassed Boo Arc Goku based on how easily he handled the sword, so Dabura zero-diffs.

SSJ Gohan (Post-Z Sword) VS Base Gotenks (Pre-Rosat)
 

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I would like to give it to Gotenks Base (Pre).

  Goku MSSJB vs Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (Tournament Universes 6 and 7)?
 

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I see MSSB as seemingly being the equivalent of Kaioken Blue based on the fairly low gap between Merged Zamasu and SSB Goku/Vegeta implied by feats, so Kaioken x10 Goku stomps.

SSJ Goku (S17 Arc) VS Qi Xing Long
 

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I give the victory to Goku SSJ (S17) after a difficult battle.

  Tenshinhan (Shin Kikoho / Current) vs. Baby Vegeta Golden Monkey?
 

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Considering Ten's Shin Kikoho was loosely implied to be relevant to Post-God Base Goku, he ought to vaporize Baby.

Super Vegeta Baby 2 & Super #17 (BT1 What If) VS Time Breaker Bardock (DBH)

These what-if versions of Baby and #17 were capable of defeating SS4 Gogeta individually, whilst SS4 Gogeta needed a Genki-Dama to fight Bardock.
 

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Based on what you said, Bardock stomps Baby and #17 if he fights barehanded only. But he'd lose if he uses his ki blasts.

Goku Black VS Vegetto (Black Arc).

Scenario: MSSJB Goku could hold his own against Merged Zamasu. Goku Black somehow learned to get the same kind of boost as Goku, with the MSSJR !

Round 1: MSSJR Black VS SSJ3 Vegetto
Round 2: MSSJR Black VS SSJG Vegetto
Round 3: Merged Zamasu VS SSJB Vegetto. Keep in mind that this Merged Zamasu is far stronger than the one Vegetto fought.

Of course, manga version for everyone.
 

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