Yamcha (Android Saga) vs 1st Form Freeza

[DBZAOTA482]

Yamcha gets stomped hard.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yamcha gets stomped hard.

 

[kriss-]

Nothing says Yamcha surpassed Ginyu... he loses.

 

[Six Trails]

Nothing says Yamcha surpassed Ginyu... he loses.

You're right. In fact, nothing says that Yamcha even surpassed Nappa.

 

[Tapion]

Yamcha one-shots all forms of Freeza until 50%

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think that's too much.

 

[SIAD]

I have:

Yamcha (Android) = 12.5% Frieza (Namek)
Yamcha (Boo / DBS) = 18.75% Frieza (Namek)

Tenshinhan (Android) = 16% Frieza (Namek)
Tenshinhan (Boo / DBS) = 40.96% Frieza (Namek)

Krilin (Android) = 16.384% Frieza (Namek)
Krilin (Boo / DBS) = 44% Frieza (Namek)

 

[ahill1]

@Captain Cadaver - do you think Gero was right in thinking he would defeat SSJ Vegeta with that absorptions? If you think he was, having the humans at 15% of Freeza seems a bit too low. I also never understand the argument of saying the humans must be at least stronger than 3rd form Freeza for them to have showed in the battlefield. I mean, they would have to be stronger than 100% Freeza to be of any relevance against these foes. This argument seems a bit off to me. What do you think?

 

[Animelover5487]

I have:

Yamcha (Android) = 12.5% Frieza (Namek)
Yamcha (Boo / DBS) = 18.75% Frieza (Namek)

Tenshinhan (Android) = 16% Frieza (Namek)
Tenshinhan (Boo / DBS) = 40.96% Frieza (Namek)

Krilin (Android) = 16.384% Frieza (Namek)
Krilin (Boo / DBS) = 44% Frieza (Namek)

Krillin and Yamcha retired from fighting after the Android arc so I doubt they got much, if any stronger.

 

[SIAD]

I have:

Yamcha (Android) = 12.5% Frieza (Namek)
Yamcha (Boo / DBS) = 18.75% Frieza (Namek)

Tenshinhan (Android) = 16% Frieza (Namek)
Tenshinhan (Boo / DBS) = 40.96% Frieza (Namek)

Krilin (Android) = 16.384% Frieza (Namek)
Krilin (Boo / DBS) = 44% Frieza (Namek)

Krillin and Yamcha retired from fighting after the Android arc so I doubt they got much, if any stronger.

But even so, Krillin (Boo / DBS)> Tenshinhan (Boo / DBS). Tenshinhan still training.

 

[Animelover5487]

I have:

Yamcha (Android) = 12.5% Frieza (Namek)
Yamcha (Boo / DBS) = 18.75% Frieza (Namek)

Tenshinhan (Android) = 16% Frieza (Namek)
Tenshinhan (Boo / DBS) = 40.96% Frieza (Namek)

Krilin (Android) = 16.384% Frieza (Namek)
Krilin (Boo / DBS) = 44% Frieza (Namek)

Krillin and Yamcha retired from fighting after the Android arc so I doubt they got much, if any stronger.

But even so, Krillin (Boo / DBS)> Tenshinhan (Boo / DBS). Tenshinhan still training.

That just shows how much Pre-Boo arc Krillin was over Tenshinhan and/or how little Tenshinhan gained after seven years.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I think Yamcha destroys Freeza here. I put the humans in the low millions, because I want to give some merits to their three years of training.

 

[SIAD]

Krillin and Yamcha retired from fighting after the Android arc so I doubt they got much, if any stronger.

But even so, Krillin (Boo / DBS)> Tenshinhan (Boo / DBS). Tenshinhan still training.

That just shows how much Pre-Boo arc Krillin was over Tenshinhan and/or how little Tenshinhan gained after seven years.

The Arch Android suggests that there is little difference between Krillin and Tien. I have a theory about Krillin, the after CG, continued training during his single years to shorten a bit the tremendous difference that had the with # 18, although the difference was still tremendous.

  Yamcha to stay young at Arco Boo, possibly due to following training you in a while.

 

[Animelover5487]

But even so, Krillin (Boo / DBS)> Tenshinhan (Boo / DBS). Tenshinhan still training.

That just shows how much Pre-Boo arc Krillin was over Tenshinhan and/or how little Tenshinhan gained after seven years.

The Arch Android suggests that there is little difference between Krillin and Tien. I have a theory about Krillin, the after CG, continued training during his single years to shorten a bit the tremendous difference that had the with # 18, although the difference was still tremendous.

  Yamcha to stay young at Arco Boo, possibly due to following training you in a while.

There isn't much to go on about the gap between Krillin and Ten besides Krillin stating that Yamcha and Ten had a "huge" ki but that statement is honestly a bit vague to compare them by, and it doesn't necessarily have to mean that they are close anyway.

 

[SIAD]

That just shows how much Pre-Boo arc Krillin was over Tenshinhan and/or how little Tenshinhan gained after seven years.

The Arch Android suggests that there is little difference between Krillin and Tien. I have a theory about Krillin, the after CG, continued training during his single years to shorten a bit the tremendous difference that had the with # 18, although the difference was still tremendous.

  Yamcha to stay young at Arco Boo, possibly due to following training you in a while.

There isn't much to go on about the gap between Krillin and Ten besides Krillin stating that Yamcha and Ten had a "huge" ki but that statement is honestly a bit vague to compare them by, and it doesn't necessarily have to mean that they are close anyway.

At least we give Gero understand that the difference between humans is small, because each of them can bring enough to defeat Vegeta SSJ. Human still, well below the Saiyajins Base.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

@Captain Cadaver - do you think Gero was right in thinking he would defeat SSJ Vegeta with that absorptions? If you think he was, having the humans at 15% of Freeza seems a bit too low. I also never understand the argument of saying the humans must be at least stronger than 3rd form Freeza for them to have showed in the battlefield. I mean, they would have to be stronger than 100% Freeza to be of any relevance against these foes. This argument seems a bit off to me. What do you think?

It can work if you go with a minimalist view of power gaps, as well as factor Gero absorbing Vegeta's Ki blast to yield a fair increase.

Going by the relevance argument, it makes sense for the humans to have surpassed Freeza. However, there's too much going against it, such as Piccolo still viewing Freeza as a relevant measuring stick, Kuririn practically treating SSJ in general as a tier far above his limits, etc. At the same time though, it doesn't make sense for the humans to show up if they were still fodder to even Freeza's lower forms when considering Ten left Chaozu at home for such a reason as him being fodder. Overall, it seems to be more about finding the middle ground in fitting them as being as power relevant as possible without them surpassing the Android Arc Base Saiyans or Freeza.

 

[kriss-]

There is no evidence that Yamcha had become so powerful, he definitely loses.