Yamcha (Android saga) vs Vegeta (Saiyan saga)

[Captain Cadaver]

V-Jump also place Gohan and Vegeta at 200 and 250k, respectively. I wouldn’t take it’s word for granted like that.

Don't see what's necessarily wrong with that. Gohan's lvel is lower than you'd expect if referring to him when Freeza arrived, but it gets the point across and Vegeta's level was likely referring to when he fought Jheese; of which would likely have to be above Base or even Kaioken Goku based on their dialogue.

Indeed, but how much stronger he’s gotten? He certainly didn’t see himself as reaching Recoome’s level beforehand, and being a good distraction doesn’t exactly require Ginyu levels of power.

Kuririn wasn't even aware how much stronger he'd gotten before Vegeta pointed it out and going from around 10k to 23k+ in less time is quite telling. It's also worth noting how many times the idea of characters not being able to surpass a plateau was brought up before and after this.
I see no way Kuririn could be of use here without at bare minimum being far above Reacoom. There's no reason to believe Vegeta would be placing value in his techniques when he already has his own version of the Kienzan and wasn't aware of Kuririn having the Taiyoken.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, normally I don't buy these well Goku and Piccolo defeated Raditz arguments because they themselves admitted they had very little chance of actually winning and had to rely on a weakness on their opponent's part. Here Vegeta was actually confident.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Does Yamcha even have fears, statements or implications about his power after Saiyan arc? I can't remember anything at all.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Does Yamcha even have fears, statements or implications about his power after Saiyan arc? I can't remember anything at all.

Aside from Gero mistaking him for Goku and Kuririn referring to him as a huge Ki, not really, though there's little reason to assume those applying to Ten and Kuririn wouldn't provide scaling somewhat to Yamcha; particularly Kuririn's gains on Namek showing the humans' limits are still far above 18k and Gero's calculation to add further significance.

 

[ahill1]

There's also Gero considering him a good source of power. If he were below Saiyajins' saga Vegeta, he'd be adding basically nothing (add < 18k to someone in the millions is barely a worthwhile increase).

 

[Captain Cadaver]

To be fair, he also didn't expect Goku to make major gains after the Saiyan Arc, thus making the most he was expecting to face being someone below 40k; though as I've said, Gero's take on that estimation seems all over the place.

 

[ahill1]

To be fair, he also didn't expect Goku to make major gains after the Saiyan Arc, thus making the most he was expecting to face being someone below 40k; though as I've said, Gero's take on that estimation seems all over the place.

I think the original quote has it as something slightly different. In which Gero expected the main crew to make gainz, but in a slower pace compared to what they have been gaining. But yeah, like you mentioned later, Gero didn't seem surprised nor stated how base Goku eclipses all his estimations upon being punched by him and having read him. So yeah, it's somewhat strange, to which it is arguable base Goku was still in the realm of Gero's estimations.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I think the original quote has it as something slightly different. In which Gero expected the main crew to make gainz, but in a slower pace compared to what they have been gaining. But yeah, like you mentioned later, Gero didn't seem surprised nor stated how base Goku eclipses all his estimations upon being punched by him and having read him. So yeah, it's somewhat strange, to which it is arguable base Goku was still in the realm of Gero's estimations.

Even that take wouldn't line up that well, since Goku jumping from a limit of little more than 32k to 3mil+ in 4 years is still huge average GAINZ.
Moral of the story, never trust Gero's opinion.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

To be fair though Dr. Gero went-off the age someone'd be in their prime, like for example humans pass their prime by the time their 30 or something like that.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

To be fair though Dr. Gero went-off the age someone's be in their prime, like for example humans pass their prime by the time their 30 or something like that.

He has data on Goku being a Saiyan though and should have knowledge on Goku's DNA from his Spy Robot, meaning he should know a Saiyan can remain in their prime until a very old age. Hell, he should also know a 300+ year old meng was capable of making gains in the span of 3 years. There's really no reason for Gero to believe Goku would peak before he turned 30.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He had the data, but did he study it or just collect it? Either-way for Dr. Gero, a human, he could immediately jump to conclusion and think maybe 30 (or whatever it is) is the age since that's what was relevant to him as a human.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If he didn't study it, that'd be pretty incompetent for Gero. Then again, that is a little in line with Gero's character (and most Cell Arc characters in general).

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I guess he had to study if he wanted to know the weaknesses as-well but he didn't collect DNA or cells, did he? He can just go-off what he saw with his own eyes, which wouldn't tell him when or how long a Saiya-Jin's prime is?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Still, it makes little sense how he should think 30 or so will be a peak for Goku when he has data on Roshi's 22nd TB GAINZ. Not that it matters overall though, since Gero stating this after taking a punch from Goku was highly out of place anyway.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Maybe Goku surpressed his power down to 5,000 when he was angry. dawg dawg dawg

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Seeing Yamcha getting fisted is only worth a couple of thousand units to Galu, apparently 2

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yamcha got fisted.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yamcha got fisted.

Young, muscular guy gets fisted by gdilf whilst a fat guy watches (you won't believe what happens next!):

Spoiler

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yamcha got fisted.

Young, muscular guy gets fisted by gdilf whilst a fat guy watches (you won't believe what happens next!):

Spoiler

GDILF???

Grand-Daddy I'd like to... mg mg mg

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yamcha got fisted.

Young, muscular guy gets fisted by gdilf whilst Kim Jong-Un watches (you won't believe what happens next!):

Spoiler

Also I fixed that for you.