Zoro vs Jozu

[Future Warrior]

Zoro probably can't cut through Diamond. Can he still win?

 

[SSJ2]

I have no idea. Because what we saw was Jozu being able to tank an attack from Mihawk that was meant to test WB, so it was clearly a top level attack. But as soon as he became distracted he was done in by an Admiral.

If Jozu turned into 100% diamond I have no idea how Zoro would beat him.

 

[Warmmedown]

Surely haki damages him? It's not so different to fighting a much weaker version of Kaido.

 

[Future Warrior]

Surely haki damages him? It's not so different to fighting a much weaker version of Kaido.

Zoro was offensively useless against King even though he gave Kaido injuries prior. It's not a matter of power level.

Though now that I think about it, it's not a fact that Zoro can't cut diamond. We likely won't get proof of it either.

 

[SSJ2]

He’d need to surpass Mihawk at the least, unless Mihawk was holding back there which wasn’t implied.

 

[Future Warrior]

He’d need to surpass Mihawk at the least, unless Mihawk was holding back there which wasn’t implied.

It’s the swordsman technique of only cutting what you wish to cut.

 

[SSJ2]

Hm maybe.

Or Mr. 1 became the Yonko commander that he is now

 

[Warmmedown]

He's holding back. Has to be. He's only trying to cut luffy, who is made of rubber. And even then I think he's not that invested in killing him, because he likes Shanks and Zoro.

Zoro was offensively useless against King even though he gave Kaido injuries prior. It's not a matter of power level.

Though now that I think about it, it's not a fact that Zoro can't cut diamond. We likely won't get proof of it either.

I don't mean power level, but that it cancels out the DF. Zoro will inlt be able to hurt him with haki, similar to Kaido (unless Zoro can cut diamond without haki). The difference between King and Jozun is King is durable not due to his devil fruit power, but due to his own body's durability. Luffy is durable due to his DF power, so a haki punch hurts him just like a normal punch. Jozu is durable bevause6of his DF, so he should be hurt by haki, as it will cancel out his diamond and leave him reliant om his non-DF strength, and as far as we know his body without a DF isn't anything extraordinarily durable, unlike King (even in the New World, King's non-DF durability is an abnormality).

 

[Future Warrior]

He's holding back. Has to be. He's only trying to cut luffy, who is made of rubber. And even then I think he's not that invested in killing him, because he likes Shanks and Zoro.



I don't mean power level, but that it cancels out the DF. Zoro will inlt be able to hurt him with haki, similar to Kaido (unless Zoro can cut diamond without haki). The difference between King and Jozun is King is durable not due to his devil fruit power, but due to his own body's durability. Luffy is durable due to his DF power, so a haki punch hurts him just like a normal punch. Jozu is durable bevause6of his DF, so he should be hurt by haki, as it will cancel out his diamond and leave him reliant om his non-DF strength, and as far as we know his body without a DF isn't anything extraordinarily durable, unlike King (even in the New World, King's non-DF durability is an abnormality).

Ok, I get what your coming from now. However, it doesn’t always seem to be case I think.

Kaido’s durability is a product of his mythical zoan, yet normal Haki punches just feels like a massage to him.

 

[Warmmedown]

He must have a super strong body underneath, otherwise why does Luffy get hurt by armament haki strikes from Sentomaru? Same for Logias, like when Aokiji is attacked.


Kaido was a prominent Rocks Pirate member, who were an elite crew. That was before eating the DF, so his body could naturally be strong. Although to take armament attacks from Luffy is ridiculously strong.

Or is he using armament haki to be durable? Is armament always shown still, when used defensively? Or maybe his CoC acts as a shield? How did Luffy become able to withstand armament attacks? He trained his physical strength, but also trained his armament and his CoC. Maybe that's where the durability against armament attacks comes in for Kaido: physical strength plus his own haki.


Maybe Jozu is durable underneath, since he must have physical strength to be a WB commander in the New World. He can't be relying in his diamond fruit alone, if he's rocking up to Marineford. But Zoro's haki attacks should force him to defend with armament/CoC haki and with physical durability.
Unless defensive power is (armament haki, depending on whether it's activated)+CoC+physical durability+DF durability. Let's say your fruit power has a durability of 100. If you have zero haki, CoC haki of 100 cancels out your fruit's power completely and hurts like a normal punch (making you rely on your underlying physical durability). If you have CoC of 50, then a CoC haki attack of 100 cancels out the 50 CoC and 50 of the DF, leaving 50 of the devil fruit's defensive power leftover. This way, defensively powerful devil fruits aren't overpowered on a haki-using battlefield, but also arent redundant. So Jozu's fruit could have a durability of 200, steel fruit has 100, rubber fruit has 200 (against blunt attacks only). Armament cancels out CoC, but maybe each 1 point of armament cancels out only 0.5 of CoC. Likewise physical strength could cancel out armament and CoC, but it's only half as powerful as CoC. The ratios of effectiveness could be different, but something like that.
So Zoro can partially cancel out Jozu's fruit, but only if Zoro's CoC and/or is strong enough to cancel out Jozu's haki first.

 

[SSJ2]

That's a good analogy. I'd be willing to bet that Jozu has high level Armament Haki to go along with his top tier fruit. He made Aokiji bleed with one attack which is pretty impressive. He must have high level Armament.

Maybe if Zoro is combining advanced Busoshoku and Haoshoku like G5 Luffy is he'd be able to overcome Jozu's combination defense. I don't think Mihawk has Haoshoku from what we know.