Tanking Gap Baseline

Power Level Guy · May 11, 2025

Typically we assume a 50% gap is what's needed to tank. I think I finally found a good way to figure this thing out.

So it appears that Freeza uses a standard type of ki blast, probably one with very little amp and perhaps none at all, and then he goes to his go-to move, which is his Death Beam.

I'd say Goku's tank here is reminiscent of Gohan's tank on Cell as well.

We typically like that at a 55% gap or so.

50% Freeza 72.5
~ Ki Blast 72.5
~ Death Beam 82.5

SSJ Goku 150

Death Beam is 55% of SSJ Goku.

Yoshi · May 11, 2025

What’s weird to me though is that the death beam has a piercing effect. Don’t you think that it would do more damage to Goku considering?

Power Level Guy · May 11, 2025

Yoshi said:
What’s weird to me though is that the death beam has a piercing effect. Don’t you think that it would do more damage to Goku considering?

That could definitely be a factor here. But from what I've seen, the piercing effect only seems to be applied once it is on par with the fighter. If it's below the fighter, it doesn't seem to do much.

Animelover5487 · May 11, 2025

Yeah the piercing effect is power based, not hax like the Kienzan.

Power Level Guy · May 11, 2025

Animelover5487 said:
Yeah the piercing effect is power based, not hax like the Kienzan.

Yeah.

So what do you think? Do you think we have figured out exactly where the tanking baseline is or what?

I haven't stumbled onto this idea to go hardcore with it, but I think this is the one.

Animelover5487 · May 11, 2025

Maybe but I don't think Death Beam is really a charged attack so it would have around the same pl as Freeza's normal ki.

Power Level Guy · May 11, 2025

Animelover5487 said:
Maybe but I don't think Death Beam is really a charged attack so it would have around the same pl as Freeza's normal ki.

But that can't be true.

1. Goku tanks Freeza's regular ki blast.
2. Freeza attacks with a Death Beam, Goku dodges them all, Freeza says, "If only I could land one!"
3. Goku obliges Freeza and lets him hit him with one.
4. Goku tanks it.
5. Freeza is shocked.

Freeza clearly expected the Death Beam to do something, whereas he knew his other blasts couldn't do anything. Goku is physically affected by it, whereas the blast from before were not.

This is undeniable proof that Death Beam is indeed amped and is superior to a standard ki blast.

We also see this proof for when Freeza uses it versus Goku in the beginning of their battle.

GSM123 · May 12, 2025

So we’re locked in for Cell being 55% of Gohan?

Power Level Guy · May 12, 2025

GSM123 said:
So we’re locked in for Cell being 55% of Gohan?

Yes I believe so. Freeza’s Death Beam vs SSJ Goku seems to indicates that there is a fine line between tanking and slight movement.

It’s a new idea and one we have to dig into a bit but I believe it confirms our original assertions.

The question is how strong is 50% Freeza in comparison to Goku and how strong is Death Beam?

50% Goku 175/180
Death Beam 200/205
SSJ Goku 375

This is where I’m stuck at right now. It’s quite possible I think it’s probably best if Death Beam is 205 because that makes it 54% or so…

And just figuring out if I want Freeza at 93 or 96% of Goku.

I think I’ll just keep it at 200 just for aesthetics though.

Hector · May 13, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
Typically we assume a 50% gap is what's needed to tank. I think I finally found a good way to figure this thing out.

So it appears that Freeza uses a standard type of ki blast, probably one with very little amp and perhaps none at all, and then he goes to his go-to move, which is his Death Beam.

I'd say Goku's tank here is reminiscent of Gohan's tank on Cell as well.

We typically like that at a 55% gap or so.

50% Freeza 72.5
~ Ki Blast 72.5
~ Death Beam 82.5

SSJ Goku 150

Death Beam is 55% of SSJ Goku.

No way that huge blast had no amp.

GSM123 · May 13, 2025

Goku tanking those blasts is otherwordly. Can Semi Cell even do that to 16’s Hell’s Flash?

Power Level Guy · May 13, 2025

Hector said:
No way that huge blast had no amp.

Which blast

Power Level Guy · May 13, 2025

GSM123 said:
Goku tanking those blasts is otherwordly. Can Semi Cell even do that to 16’s Hell’s Flash?

No way, Hell’s flash is amped

Yoshi · May 13, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
No way, Hell’s flash is amped

What makes you think Androids can amplify their Ki?

Power Level Guy · May 13, 2025

Yoshi said:
What makes you think Androids can amplify their Ki?

Android 17’s barrier?

And Ki amp at this level should be basic.

Hector · May 13, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
Which blast

50% Freeza's vs SSJ Goku

Power Level Guy · May 13, 2025

Hector said:
50% Freeza's vs SSJ Goku

Ok so give me these numbers.

50% Freeza
~ Ki Blast
~ Death Beam

Super Saiyan Goku

Hector · May 13, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
Ok so give me these numbers.

50% Freeza
~ Ki Blast
~ Death Beam

Super Saiyan Goku

50% Freeza - 50
~ Ki Blast - 60
~ Death Beam - 55 (piercing effect)

Super Saiyan Goku - 110

Power Level Guy · May 13, 2025

Hector said:
~ Ki Blast - 60
~ Death Beam - 55 (piercing effect)

This makes no sense lol

Freeza expects the Death Beam to actually kill Goku. If Goku just tanked a superior blast, this idea would never occur to Freeza.

Death Beam is >> Ki Blast

Hector · May 13, 2025

Power Level Guy said:
This makes no sense lol

Freeza expects the Death Beam to actually kill Goku. If Goku just tanked a superior blast, this idea would never occur to Freeza.

Death Beam is >> Ki Blast

Which part of "piercing effect" didn't you get, honey?

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