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They don't seem to be having any strain when using the form, just like with Goku and Gohan in the Cell Games.

This is Tullece post 1rst Fruit. He can eat a second one if outmatched.

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Used to think it was about 2x, but that doesn't make sense since that would mean SSJ3 >>>>> SSJB.

Who wins?

We know that he wasn't at full power at any point before meeting Vegeta, so where do you put his pre power up state at?

Is there anything that shows 16 is even slightly weaker than Imperfect Cell?

Android Arc Son Goku ~ 4,500,000 SSJ ~ 225,000,000 Trunks ~ 4,000,000 SSJ ~ 200,000,000 Mecha Freeza ~ 152,500,000 Suppressed ~ 100,000,000 King Cold ~ 100,000,000 Vegeta ~ 3,800,000 Piccolo ~ 3,600,000 Gohan ~ 1,200,000 Krillin ~ 375,000 Tien : 250,000 Yamcha ...

I think they are close, but Cell might win due to his diverse moveset.

Who would win? If Gohan takes this than add Trunks with Goten.

Im starting to get the feeling his Initial State is the same strength as Fat Boo. Nobody has noted a power increase, only the change in Ki. Not even Piccolo says anything about power, only that he is better suited for battle. Can anyone counter this argument?

I have no idea how strong Cymbal is, but im guessing at least stronger than Krillin and Yamcha (22nd Budokai)

These are some arguments that may actually suggest SSJB is far weaker than SSJG, but it's only a theory and an attempt to make Super more reasonable. 1. SSJB is the product of SSJG Ki in SSJ. How this can be an argument is because SSJB is only an essence of SSJG. SSJG is basically the...

It's been stated Goku and Vegeta can beat Beerus if they teamed up with SSJB, but new material suggest otherwise. Or maybe Whis knew that Goku was gonna use Kaioken x10! :cage1

Who would win and why?

It's official, Goku would at this point demolish Beerus and possibly even Whis.

Who would win and why? As far as im concerned they are dead even but the Goku vs Hit fight may prove otherwise.

We know that Gohan with post training would easily takes this, so I decided to use Gohan before he lost his arm.

Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10% of his power so how powerful would he be against SSJG Goku?

The World Champion against the guy who Goku fought when trying to find Bulma