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It's hard to say because everyone seems to forget each other's power placements, especially Kaioshin.

This is Super. Shisami is a nobody who went from Zarbon tier to Super Namekian tier in 4 months, anything is possible.

Well if Piccolo and Kuririn are trash not even worth taking energy from, these guys they got Ki from can't be THAT weak.

Both Shin and Trunks act like Boo is on the verge of revival and Babidi says "It took 10 years to gather all that energy to revive Boo!" The narration after Babidi and Dabura are defeated also openly states Boo would have been revived without Shin's sacrifice. "All that energy" plus them only...

Ten years may be nothing to them but it is plenty of time to get stronger, especially since Super shows Boo getting stronger and his lifetime is infinite. Since Boos meter was nearly filled by the time Trunks fought Dabura, he had to have fought to deal damage and timeline shenanigans have made...

Plot, plus in AT's mind SSJ is only a 10x increase.

I don't get what you mean.

Yeah he most likely goes by the SSJ2 theory, it's just hard to take the implied chains created by the original author's assistant and give it precedence over the original author's artwork choice from back when the actual original manga was being serialized.

Knowing Toriyama I bet he didn't even remember not giving Gohan the SSJ2 aura and I think Toyotaro either went by the anime where Gohan was probably SSJ2, or went by that Daizenshuu entry that said he was Super Saiyan 2. Toyotaro seems to follow the Daizenshuu and SEG judging by the small...

Yeah if Vegeta went SSJ2 straight after he was possessed by Babidi, and Goku wasn't surprised by Vegeta's use of the form it'd make the SSJ2 side more or less solid. Official material is often at odds with whether Gohan was SSJ2 or not against Dabura too. One section of the Daizenshuu says he...

The art is the biggest reason why I don't like the SSJ2 side. It'd be one thing if, say, one-armed SSJ2 Gohan from the CG also lacked an SSJ2 aura when he was weakened, but we don't see such a precedent and Toriyama in like a dozen chapters down the line clearly illustrated SSJ and SSJ2 side by...

Better, but they're still kind of ass. They made the Eclipse look more like a softcore rape porno scene than an actual dark moment where the female protagonist is violated to add to the tragedy of Guts losing all his friends, they still omitted Wyald, and some minor but important characters like...

I honestly wouldn't say the 1997 anime did anything better than the manga, but it did unintentionally make Zodd not a nudist when he first fought Guts due to censorship reasons. The 3 Golden Age movie adaptations generally sucked but they did fix the plot hole of how nobody recognized Guts' big...

Slightly stronger than post U6 SSJ2 Goku while a regular SSJ2 and slightly weaker than SSJ3 Goku while a FP SSJ2, as it was shown. A big power jump, but that's Super for you. I'm also starting to think Vegeta learned to channel part of his God power into his SSJ2 form to explain how his SSJ2...

Since Toyotaro came up with the short Future Trunks flashback and he praised the DBZ Kakarot DLC and told everyone to play it, my headcanon is that he doesn't disapprove of SSJ Z Sword Trunks > SSJ2 Kid Gohan (which was part of the story in the DLC). And it allows Teen Gohan to be pretty tough...

I edited it in No numbers though because my brain doesn't like to think more than it has to on Sunday night

plot Jokes aside, the fight was like 10 years later than in the main timeline so you can just say Dabura got stronger through fighting. On top of timeline shenanigans. I go with SSJ2 Trunks (initial unlock) >> Future Dabura > SSJ Future Trunks (Z sword) > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SSJ2 Teen Gohan >...

I just have Future Dabura stronger. I like to have SSJ post Z sword Future Trunks considerably stronger than pre Z sword SSJ2 Gohan, and Dabura (future) took SSJ2 to beat. He remembered again though when they were talking shit about Dabura's power and saying he was no big deal. I think after...

Both sides make no sense. I just like to go with Kaioshin being an idiot and forgetting SSJ2 Budokai Gohan's power and thus thinking SSJ Gohan showed more power against Fat Boo. I do agree it makes power lists generally easier to make if you put Dabura at SSJ2 level though. In Daima though it...

I like it better than his hair in Super. In Super he and Bulma both look so young that it's like AT reverted them back to their Namek selves. The Boo arc Kuririn actually looked like a guy nearing his 40s.